[gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History
Phil Corwin
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Wed Jan 4 14:44:34 UTC 2017
Thanks for the input, Brian, and duly noted.
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From: Beckham, Brian [mailto:brian.beckham at wipo.int]
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Subject: RE: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History
Thanks Jon and Phil for recapping this as it relates to the PDDRP.
Without wishing to reopen discussions on that RPM, I would merely like to suggest here that the final report of this working group at least include a placeholder for possible future reassessment of the PDDRP (particularly in terms of, but not necessarily limited to, substantive criteria such as “affirmative conduct” vs “willful blindness”) based on observed abuse practices (whether fee-occasioned or otherwise) and rights protection experiences over time in new gTLDs.
Thanks for noting.
Brian
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As our PDDRP review disclosed, a successful action requires proof that a registry operator either directly infringed or encouraged registrants to infringe at the second level. And we decided to leave that standard unchanged.
I have several personal concerns about the impact of very low and no fee domain registrations that are offered by some new registries, absent a showing that a registry operator actively encouraged low/no cost registrations as an inexpensive way to infringe or engage in other malicious and harmful behavior I don’t see low pricing alone sustaining a PDDRP.
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Greg:
Without evidence that the .XYZ registry itself was acting in concert with the registrant, I don't see how the PDDRP would apply. Absent evidence that the registry actively participated in the infringement, it would be no different than if someone registered 474 names in .com and used them for infringement. It shouldn't matter whether it was 474 names or much greater or less. The PDDRP was developed to go after the registry when it actively participated with the infringing registrant not based on the amount of infringement in the registry. Another distinction between these names and infringing names in .com is that this brand holder had the ability to use the URS and a brand holder facing infringement in .com wouldn't have the URS arrow in its quiver.
Best,
jon
On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com<mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>> wrote:
As to whether something is "working", it's probably dangerous to extrapolate from a sample of 1. I don't think this shows much, other than that the URS worked in this instance. It would be interesting to know more about how the claimant felt this worked (and as Jon points out, why they chose URS over UDRP).
From the point of view of this group, an interesting aspect of the case is that all 474 domain names were registered in .xyz.
This type of wholesale registration may indicate that the Claims Notices are not working. It's likely that the registrant received few if any claims notices since their domains are almost all "mark+" domains. It would probably make more sense for Claims Notices to go out whenever the registered string appears in the domain string, not only when the registered string matches the domain string.
It's also interesting to think about what would happen if the claimant here wanted to initiate a PDDRP against .xyz. While 474 domains is huge in the context of a single URS proceeding, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the 6 million (and dropping) domains registered in .xyz. Is 474 domains enough to file a PDDRP claim? Enough to win? What else would be needed, if this is not enough to win (or to file)?
Greg
On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:16 PM, jonathan matkowsky <jonathan.matkowsky at riskiq.net<mailto:jonathan.matkowsky at riskiq.net>> wrote:
I totally agree. The blog post was interesting read, but really is a distraction from the issues.
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On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:12 PM, <trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com>> wrote:
I don't see how it signifies anything - it's just one decision.
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On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:34 AM, Reg Levy <reg at mmx.co<mailto:reg at mmx.co><mailto:reg at mmx.co<mailto:reg at mmx.co>>> wrote:
My point was that a matter was successfully brought under the RPMs (my point would stand for matters unsuccessfully brought under the RPMs). That cybersquatting exists is not in dispute. Nor is it our—or ICANN’s—job to cause cybersquatting to no longer exist. The matter was a URS, which was a new-to-new-gTLDs RPM and (supposedly) cheaper than the UDRP.
If this does not signify that RPMs work, does it signify that they do not?
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On 3 Jan 2017, at 10:30, Kiran Malancharuvil via gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org><mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>>> wrote:
Agree with Doug and Marc, I would be curious to understand the thinking further.
Also, it will be interesting to see what happens to all of these names when the suspension period is over.
K
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On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:27 AM, "trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com><mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com>>" <trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com><mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com<mailto:trachtenbergm at gtlaw.com>>> wrote:
Agreed. How does one large URS filling indicate that the RPMs are working?
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On Jan 3, 2017, at 11:26 AM, Doug Isenberg <disenberg at gigalawfirm.com<mailto:disenberg at gigalawfirm.com><mailto:disenberg at gigalawfirm.com<mailto:disenberg at gigalawfirm.com>><mailto:disenberg at gigalawfirm.com<mailto:disenberg at gigalawfirm.com>>> wrote:
As the author of the blog post that Phil shared, I disagree with Reg’s conclusion below (and am quite unsure how that conclusion was reached). This URS case is interesting because its size makes it unusual (and, indeed, unprecedented). It is not indicative of any trend about RPMs in general or the URS in particular. If anything, it is a reminder that there are many domain name registrants – even in the new gTLDs – who continue to engage in cybersquatting on a large-scale, despite the RPMs such as the URS.
Sincerely yours,
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Largest URS Filing/Decision in History
Which seems to indicate that the current RPMs are working.
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On 3 Jan 2017, at 09:34, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com><mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>><mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>>> wrote:
FYI, on December 21, 2016 NAF suspended 474 DN variants of Ashley Furniture in a single URS filing.
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