[gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items from Review of all RPMs in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Call - 31 May 2017

[Susan Payne]

Thanks Phil, but I don’t think it’s a job for the sub-team to decide on scope.  Or to be more specific, I don’t think it is the role of the sub-team to be deciding whether or not to exceed the scope laid down for the WG in the PDP charter.  That would be something that the WG as a whole would have to decide was appropriate, and then to seek approval from the Council, wouldn’t it?

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From: Phil Corwin [mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com]
Sent: 05 June 2017 17:57
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Subject: RE: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items from Review of all RPMs in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Call - 31 May 2017

Thanks for your input, Susan.

As I stated in my June 4th response to Jon:
On Friday’s Co-chair call we reached general agreement that further development of the draft questions prepared by us should fall to the Subteam charged with reviewing and refining them and then sending them back to the full WG for additional work. Hopefully the subteam members will reach consensus on the scope of our inquiry and their consistency with our Charter.

Therefore, I expect that the substantive discussion on the draft document to occur within the subteam and not on our call this Wednesday.

So far as the draft being treated as a “strawperson”, if that means being the starting point for subteam discussion and with the subteam having discretion to revise, delete, and amend it, then that is the intent in my view.

Best, Philip


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Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items from Review of all RPMs in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Call - 31 May 2017

I support Greg’s comments regarding the treatment of the co-chairs’ draft as a strawperson, with thanks to the co-chairs for pulling this together to help get the discussion started.

I also strongly support Jon’s comments on scope.  In reviewing the mandatory RPMs, the landscape in which they operate is clearly relevant – assessments on the uptake of and perceived usefulness of the Sunrise, for example, are clearly impacted by alternative voluntary services offered by registries which may have been utilised instead of making Sunrise applications.  It is not our role to evaluate the voluntary services themselves.

I have a few additional comments on the draft document, which I have marked-up on top of Jon’s edits.  Whilst I note Kurt’s proposal that Jon’s version be referred to the subgroup for review (and have no objection to this suggestion, in which case my comments can be considered by the subgroup) I will not be on the full WG call this week, since it is at 4am my time, and want to ensure that my comments are taken into account if there is a substantive discussion of the draft during that call.

Many thanks
Susan

Susan Payne
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From: Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com]
Sent: 04 June 2017 20:37
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items from Review of all RPMs in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Call - 31 May 2017

I support Jon's edits and share his concerns regarding the scope and charge of this group.

I also think the spirit of bottom-up policy development supports taking changes to the document, rather than hanging on to the chairs' draft, which should be considered a strawman.

Greg

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:33 PM Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>> wrote:
Jon:

I can’t speak for the other two co-chairs, but so far the task of our subteams has been largely confined to refining and filling gaps in the draft questions, and identifying the data needed to provide answers and the feasibility of finding such data. I would think that would be the same for the subteam doing scout work on these non-mandated, market-supplied RPMs.

I guess we may have some further discussion of what we are seeking this subteam to do during Wednesday’s call, but once we hand it off to them the subteam members will get into the details and decide how to proceed.

I welcome further thoughts from the other co-chairs, or from any WG members.

Best, Philip

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Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items from Review of all RPMs in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Call - 31 May 2017

Thanks Phil. I'd like the co-chairs agreement that the sub-group's charge is limited to such information gathering. Otherwise, we do have an issue for the full committee and I would object to the sub-group starting work without knowing the scope of its work.

Best,

Jon

On Jun 4, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com<mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>> wrote:
Thanks for your feedback, Jon, and for your proposed edit of the draft Subteam questions.

I appreciate your agreement “that information about additional protections voluntarily offered by some registries in the marketplace may be helpful to the WG in evaluating the actual RPMs that we are chartered to review”, as that is consistent with the Co-Chairs’ view that we have to understand the full scope of and interplay between available RPMs – ICANN-mandated plus additional services provided by the TMCH and registries – to comprehend the entire ecosystem and make informed decisions going forward.

On Friday’s Co-chair call we reached general agreement that further development of the draft questions prepared by us should fall to the Subteam charged with reviewing and refining them and then sending them back to the full WG for additional work. Hopefully the subteam members will reach consensus on the scope of our inquiry and their consistency with our Charter.

As the discussion on Wednesday’s call of this subject should be largely confined to our decision to delegate further refinement you shouldn’t miss much and in any event will be able to review the mp3 and transcript. I believe that you have volunteered to be a subteam member so you can are assured that your views will be fully considered as it engages.

Best regards, Philip

From: Jon Nevett [mailto:jon at donuts.email]
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2017 6:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items from Review of all RPMs in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Call - 31 May 2017

WG Members:

I would like to remind folks that our Phase 1 charter defines the RPMs for us to review as the URS; the TMCH and as used in Sunrise and Trademark Claims; and the PDDRP.  We are not chartered to evaluate Commercial Online Protection Services; Non-Mandated RPMs; Registry Specific RPMs; Voluntary Registry Protections; Voluntary Registry Mechanisms; Voluntary Registry RPMs; or even Private RPMs.

With that said, I have long agreed that information about additional protections voluntarily offered by some registries in the marketplace may be helpful to the WG in evaluating the actual RPMs that we are chartered to review.  With that context in mind, I offer the suggested changes to the proposed draft questions in the attached.  I deleted certain references/questions about how/whether ICANN approves such additional private protections; whether they are consistent with policy decisions; commentary on an RPM that wasn't approved and how it may relate to some additional protections currently offered.  Some of those questions and commentary are superfluous and irrelevant to our task at hand and would just lead us down a proverbial rabbit hole.

What I hope we want from the sub-group is information about additional protections in the marketplace to help inform our task of reviewing actual RPMs and not an attempt at an extra-charter review of individual registries services.  I am supportive of the former and happy to provide information as such, but am definitely opposed to the latter.

Unfortunately, I am taking a red-eye flight on Wednesday and will not be available for our next call.  I would appreciate this issue being kicked to the following call if there is any need for discussion of the group.  Much appreciated.

Best,

Jon

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