[gnso-rpm-wg] Proposal to Shift URS review to Phase II

Jonathan Frost jonathan at get.club
Mon Apr 16 13:33:56 UTC 2018


One way in which the URS burden of proof differs substantially from UDRP is
that the URS requires that "For a URS matter to conclude in favor of the
Complainant, the Examiner shall render a Determination that there is* no
genuine issue of material fact*." (URS Procedure 8.3).   This is the same
burden as the URS summary judgment.

It bears noting that I haven't seen this language mentioned by any URS
arbitrator in any cases which I've reviewed.

Jonathan

On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 7:49 AM, BECKHAM, Brian <brian.beckham at wipo.int>
wrote:

> Hi Jon,
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> Could you explain/unpack that a little bit.
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> Some folks might see “standard of review” and “burden of proof” as
> somewhat synonymous, in which case as you rightly point out the URS applies
> a “clear and convincing” standard but the UDRP applies a “balance of
> probabilities” (sometimes called “on balance”) standard.
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> Or are you referring to the standard of review for appeals cases?
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> Sorry for a perhaps basic question, and thanks!
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> Brian
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> *From:* gnso-rpm-wg [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Jon
> Nevett
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2018 8:43 PM
> *To:* Nahitchevansky, Georges
> *Cc:* gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
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> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Proposal to Shift URS review to Phase II
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> One alternative is to split the URS review into two parts.
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> As most know, the standard of review of a URS claim is exactly the same as
> a UDRP claim.  The burden of proof, however, is higher, as URS was supposed
> to be for "slam dunk" cases -- hence the the clear and convincing burden.
> We could wait on reviewing the URS standard of review and everything that
> goes with that, as that work will mirror the work that will need to be
> completed during the UDRP review.  We could continue to review the facets
> of the URS that differ from the UDRP now and push the rest to later.
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> Just an idea for a middle ground if folks want one.
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> Jon
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> On Apr 13, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Nahitchevansky, Georges <
> ghn at kilpatricktownsend.com> wrote:
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> +1 on moving the URS to phase 2.  Georges N
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> *From:* gnso-rpm-wg [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org>] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Pritz
> *Sent:* Friday, April 13, 2018 2:06 PM
> *To:* gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Proposal to Shift URS review to Phase II
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> Hi John (and everyone):
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> Thank you to John for taking the time to put together this cogent
> document.
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> I support moving the URS discussion to phase II for the reasons John cited
> and others.
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> As John, and others (in an earlier email string) have pointed out, the
> results of GDRP could affect the URS discussion. The next round of new
> gTLDs should not be held hostage to that.
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> For me, I see no reason why the URS discussion was ever on the critical
> path to the next round of new gTLDs.
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> The findings of this working group will not affect the analysis of a
> potential gTLD applicant regarding whether to apply or setting up
> operations. Nor will it affect the evaluation of applications. If
> registries receive a URS decision, they will implement it. They have no
> role in setting the criteria or requirements for URS decision making.
> Therefore, there is no reason to put this discussion on the critical path
> to the next round.
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> John’s paper alludes to this when he says that URS is a lot more like UDRP
> (which is in Phase II) than TMCH & Claims (which is in Phase I).
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> While this phase I / phase II timing decision might not have seemed to be
> a critical decision at the outset, GDRP developments and the length of time
> taken so far has made it a critical decision.
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> I find George’s reasoning unpersuasive. He cites section 5 of John’s
> paper, which is essentially background information — dicta with regard to
> he matter at hand. All of the questions in section 5 can be taken up by
> this working group regardless of the timing and none of the questions need
> be on the critical path to the next round for the reason stated above
> (i.e., the new gTLD applicant or operator is not affected by the outcome of
> these discussion topics).
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> Similarly, I don’t think George’s discussion regarding fpast meeting
> frequency is relevant to whether to move the URS to phase II.
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> I find the discussion of the chairmanship irrelevant to the discussion
> also.
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> Thanks again to John for doing this work, I support his conclusion that
> the URS discussion should be moved to phase II.
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>
> Best regards,
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> Kurt
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> On Apr 13, 2018, at 9:12 AM, Paul Tattersfield <gpmgroup at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Greg,
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> It’s always important to try and be precise in what you say. I think it
> would have been helpful for John to clarify his proposal as he has not done
> so, on a more general level:
>
> Clearly the 3 qualities John identified are important basic competencies.
>
> I agree one of the highest compliments one can give a WG chair is that you
> had no sense of where they stood on any of the issues the group handled.
> The question is how can this be achieved more often than not and will the 3
> qualities John identified be sufficient?
>
> I would suggest character traits high in openness and agreeableness are
> probably as important if not more important. If these could be combined
> with humility, a moral compass and intellect this may help avoid working
> group member fatigue and in the worst case all the time consuming curative
> work necessary to address a situation where someone has fallen below the
> required standards.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Paul.
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> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:02 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Paul,
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> Perhaps John can clarify what he meant by these criteria.  I think they
> make perfect sense and seem like common sense.  As I read them, they are
> fairly common criteria for good ICANN GNSO Working Group chairs and nothing
> surprising.  By your reaction, I suspect you are reading them differently,
> especially since you think that these create a heightened potential to
> shape process in an unwelcome way (I say “heightened” only because any
> chair has some potential to process in a way that is unwelcome to some).
> That may be the source of our different views on these criteria.
>
>
>
> Appropriate neutrality = Someone who is able to act neutral as expected of
> Working Group chairs, as if they had no interest in any particular
> outcome.  Not someone who is in fact neutral (i.e., not a stakeholder at
> all, or a stakeholder in a community that truly has no preference as to
> outcome); this latter type would be relatively rare.  I think one of the
> highest compliments one can give a WG chair is that you had no sense of
> where they stood on any of the issues the group handled.
>
>
>
> Experience in PDP consensus-building = Ideally, a former chair,
> vice-chair, subgroup chair, rapporteur or other leader/facilitator in a
> GNSO PDP WG, who has already had the experience of trying to aid the WG (or
> subgroup) to come to consensus.  Less ideally, an experienced GNSO WG PDP
> participant, who has been through some number of consensus building
> processes and is ready to step into the chair role in that process.
>
>
>
> Experience in parliamentary procedure = Someone with experience with and a
> good understanding of the rules and procedures governing the process of
> GNSO PDP WG meetings.  Not someone who has specific experience with
> Robert’s Rules of Order and its non-US equivalents, not someone who is a
> member of an actual Parliament, and not someone who is a “parliamentarian”
> (which could mean a member of parliament or someone who advises a chair on
> rules of procedure).  This may be the one that is tripping you up.  This is
> probably the most susceptible to misunderstanding, since we don’t use the
> term “parliamentary procedure” that often in ICANN-land in any sense (and
> our meetings do not run by Robert’s, etc.)
>
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> The bigger picture I get is of a steady and experienced hand who can stay
> above the fray in terms of issues and positions, who can actively work with
> the group to identify and fashion consensus, and someone who has very good
> understanding of and facility with our rules of procedure so that they can
> run the meetings well and make them as efficient and effective as possible,
> while ensuring that all positions are heard.  From a procedural side, this
> sounds completely sensible and not that uncommon in ICANN-land.
>
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> Thoughts?
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> Greg
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> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 6:02 AM Paul Tattersfield <gpmgroup at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Greg, because they are a subset of the ideal criteria necessary for
> optimum outcomes and as such has the potential to shape process in an
> unwelcome way.
>
> I am hoping John having brought forward his in depth proposal with this
> very significant ballon d'essai in the ultimate paragraph would expand
> further on his intentions or at least indicate if he had someone mind.
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Paul.
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> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Paul,
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> I'm not sure why you say this is precise.  Is there one criterion in
> particular that caused you to say that?
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> Greg
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> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 9:24 AM, Paul Tattersfield <gpmgroup at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> *it is also recommended that Phase II Working Group has one chairperson
> with appropriate neutrality and experience in PDP consensus building and
> parliamentary procedures*
>
> That is quite a precise skill set, did you have someone in mind?
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> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 2:54 AM, John McElwaine <
> john.mcelwaine at nelsonmullins.com> wrote:
>
> Dear RPM Working Group:
>
>
>
> In our meeting in San Juan, Puerto Rico, I raised the issue of moving the
> work set forth in this Working Group’s charter relating to the URS to Phase
> II.  The Chairs asked that I put something in writing detailing the
> specific recommendation and reasoning, which I present below and have also
> attached hereto in a Word document for your review and consideration.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> Proposal to Shift URS from Phase I to Phase II:
>
>
>
> 1.     On 15 December 2011, the GNSO Council requested that eighteen (18)
> months after the launch of the New gTLD Program ICANN staff prepare and
> publish an Issue Report on the state of all rights protection mechanisms
> implemented for both existing and new gTLDs, including but not limited to
> the UDRP and URS. The Council subsequently agreed to extend the timeline
> for a report by a further six (6) months.
>
>
>
> 2.     On 9 October 2015, a Preliminary Issues Report was published
> discussing the scope of this potential PDP and outlining three possible
> options for moving forward.  The third option ultimately was elected at
> that time:
>
>
>
> The “third option would be to conduct a policy review of all the RPMs in
> two phases, with the initial phase being a review only of the RPMs
> developed for the New gTLD Program. . . . The second, subsequent phase of
> work would be a review of the UDRP, based on the concerns specific to its
> scope that were raised in the 2011 GNSO Issue Report and any additional
> relevant topics derived from the first phase of work concerning the RPMs
> developed for the New gTLD Program.”
>
>
>
> 3.     On 15 March 2016, the two phase approach was approved in the
> Charter for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all
> gTLDs PDP Working Group  (“RPM Working Group”). Phase One was to focus on a
> review of all the RPMs that were developed for the New gTLD Program, and
> Phase Two will focus on a review of the UDRP.
>
>
>
> 4.     The Objective & Goals in the PDP’s Charter were to examine (i) the
> RPMs effectiveness, (ii) whether the RPMs collectively fulfil their
> purposes, and (iii) whether additional policy specific recommendations are
> needed, including to clarify and unify the policy goals.  RPM Working Group
> Charter, at p. 3.  The Objectives & Goals in the PDP’s Charter were broadly
> defined:
>
>
>
> “In addition to an assessment of the effectiveness of each RPM, the PDP
> Working Group is expected to consider, at the appropriate stage of its
> work, the overarching issue as to whether or not all the RPMs collectively
> fulfill the purposes for which they were created, or whether additional
> policy recommendations are needed, including to clarify and unify the
> policy goals. If such additional policy recommendations are needed, the
> Working Group is expected to develop  recommendations to address the
> specific issues identified. The Working Group is also directed to bear in
> mind that a fundamental underlying intention of conducting a review of all
> RPMs in all gTLDs is to create a framework for consistent and uniform
> reviews of these mechanisms in the future.”
>
>
>
> 5.     However, the RPM Working Group Charter also contains a lengthy
> attachment entitled “LIST OF POTENTIAL ISSUES FOR CONSIDERATION IN THIS
> PDP” This “list was derived from various community suggestions in different
> forums, they are not listed in any particular order of importance nor has
> staff attempted to analyze the merits, relevance or significance of each
> issue”.  This list contains topics that are out of scope when compared with
> the Objectives and Goals, including:
>
>
>
> 1.     Are generic dictionary words being adequately protected so that
> they are available for all to use as allowed under their national laws and
> international treaties? E.g. sun, window
>
> 2.     Should monetary damages be awarded?
>
> 3.     Are last names and geographic places adequately protected so that
> they are available for all to use as allowed under their national laws,
> e.g, Smith, McDonald, Capitol Hill Cafe, Old Town Deli?
>
> 4.     Should injunctive relief be available?
>
> 5.     Now that Reverse Domain Name Hijacking is a regular finding of
> UDRP panels, indicating that domain name registrants are being abused by
> complaints brought against them in the UDRP process, what penalties and
> sanctions should be imposed on Complainants found to be reverse domain name
> hijackers? How can those penalties and sanctions be aligned so as to be
> fair, as compared to the loss of a domain name taken from a registrant
> found to be a “cybersquatter”?
>
>
>
>
>
> 6.     Issues from this list and other new out of scope issues,
> complaints and modifications are causing the work of the RPM Working Group
> to slow and are polarizing the members; thus, harming the ability to
> achieve consensus in the Working Group.  As recommend by the PDP breakout
> group and discussed by the Community in attendance at the Sunday gNSO
> Working Session in San Juan, it would be particularly useful if working
> group charters would:
>
>
>
> 1.     Define clearly what success for the proposed working group ”should
> look like”.  (K. Kleiman reporting on breakout session, Transcript ICANN61
> San Juan GNSO Working Session Part 2 Sunday, 11 March 2018 at 10:30 AS
> (“Transcript”) at p. 5).
>
> 2.     Define topics or issues that must be addressed, may be addressed
> and may not be addressed.  (Transcript at p. 4).
>
> 3.     Have “more defined issues, [be] more bounded, more limited.”
> (Transcript at p. 5).
>
> 4.     Have a narrower scope and be broken up into separate projects.
> (Transcript at p. 5).
>
> 5.     Having a charter drafting team that “that are experts, and that
> might mean a legal expert, but we should also have people that have
> experience, practical experience.”  (S. DelBianco reporting on breakout
> session, Transcript at p. 5).
>
>
>
> 7.     The Trademark Clearinghouse, Sunrise and Trademark Claims Notices
> are RPMs relating to the registration process of domain names in the new
> gTLDs.   The URS is more akin to the UDRP, and like the UDRP is a mandatory
> dispute resolution proceeding to recover a domain name that has been
> clearly registered in bad faith. Since the URS is intended to be
> complementary of the UDRP and will have similar issues it would be more
> efficient to address these RPMs in a more cohesive manner.
>
>
>
> 8.     With respect to the URS and UDRP, The European Parliament, the
> Council of the European Union, and the European Commission have enacted a
> new data privacy regulation in 2016 entitled the General Data Protection
> Regulation (GDPR) that will likely adversely impact the ability of the URS
> and UDRP to function as these policies are currently implemented.  The new
> regulation is scheduled to take effect on May 25, 2018.  Among other ways,
> GDRP may adversely impact the URS and the UDRP by:
>
>
>
> 1.     Procedure for UDRP/URS:
>
> 1.     Possibility that Providers cannot serve the UDRP/URS Complaint if
> an email address cannot be obtained.
>
> 2.     Possibility that the Language of the URS proceeding cannot be
> determined.
>
> 2.     Procedure for URS:
>
> 1.     Possibility that the URS provider cannot translate the notice of
> URS complaint into the predominant language used in the Registrant’s
> country or territory.
>
> 2.     Possibility that URS complainants cannot know the language of a
> possible response.
>
> 3.     Possibility that URS complainants do not know whether the URS
> complaint was translated into the correct language(s) and that proceedings
> were administered correctly.
>
> 3.     UDRP Element 2 / URS:
>
> 1.     Cannot argue that the registrant is not commonly known by the
> Domain Name at issue.
>
> 2.     Cannot determine if the registrant has been authorized by the
> Trademark holder.
>
> 3.     Cannot determine if the registrant is an authorized reseller of
> the Trademark holder’s product.
>
> 4.     Cannot determine on what date the domain name was “registered” by
> the current domain name holder if it was transferred to this current domain
> name holder.  (requires being able to see the WhoIs history).  This could
> prevent baseless claims from being filed.
>
> 4.     UDRP Element 3:
>
> 1.     Cannot determine if registrant has engaged in a pattern of bad
> faith registrations.  Rule 4(b)(ii).
>
> 2.     Cannot determine if registrant has been found to engage other
> unlawful actions, such as malware, phishing or scams.
>
> 3.     Cannot determine if the registrant is in a particular geographic
> region to be better assess the possibility of legitimate co-existence (thus
> possibly even foregoing the filing of a case, and response, in the first
> place).
>
> 4.     Cannot determine if the registrant is technically a “competitor”
> that has registered the Domain Name for the purpose of disrupting the
> business of the Complainant.  Rule 4(b)(iii).
>
>
>
> 9.     Due to GDPR compliance issues, ICANN org is considering
> substantial changes to WhoIs, and has published an Interim Model for GDPR
> Compliance, e.g. "The CookBook" which proposes to significantly limit the
> public display of WhoIs data after May 25, 2018." see:
> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/gdpr-compliance-interim-model-
> 08mar18-en.pdf.   Aggressive current timelines for tiered access to WhoIs
> data that might provide some fix for the above issues is December 2018.
> There is no question that GDPR will require policy consideration relating
> to the URS and UDRP that cannot be predicted and analyzed at this time.
>
>
>
> Recommendation:
>
>
>
> 1.     The RPM Working Group finishes its already well-advanced work and
> issues an Initial Report on the PDDRP, Trademark Clearinghouse, Sunrise,
> and Trademark Claims Notices for public comment.
>
> 2.     After comments have been analyzed for those elements, that the RPM
> Working Group finishes its work and issues its Final Report on the PDDRP,
> Trademark Clearinghouse, Sunrise, and Trademark Claims Notices.
>
> 3.     The RPM Working Group issues a request through its Appointed
> Working Group Liaison to the GNSO Council to amend the RPM Working Group
> Charter as follows:
>
> 1.     shift the work related to the URS to Phase II and, if necessary,
> pause starting Phase II until after the permanent impacts of GDPR on the
> URS and UDRP are known;
>
> 2.     provide clear guidance to the WG on the issues that (i) must be
> addressed, (ii) may be addressed, and (iii) may not be addressed;
>
> 3.     provide clear guidance on the scope of the review of the URS and
> UDRP.
>
>
>
> Although a separate issue from this proposal, it is also recommended that
> Phase II Working Group has one chairperson with appropriate neutrality and
> experience in PDP consensus building and parliamentary procedures.
> Assistance to the chair can be provided by utilizing vice-chairs and
> well-structured sub-teams.
>
>
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