<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Volker,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I don't think so. First, Phil represents domain investors, a perfectly valid but very specific subset of domain name owners. Second, I think its very fair to say that there's been a significant degree of alignment between the interests of domain investors and the viewpoints espoused by some from the non-commercial user community. Again, all valid viewpoints, but ones with a high degree of overlap. Hence the concerns about balance.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As to neutrality, I agree that it is what is expected, but these and prior efforts show that importance is placed on where one comes from (both SG/C and positionally) and I think that reflects valid underlying concerns.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Volker Greimann via gnso-rpm-wg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Greg,<br>
<br>
I think there is a good balance here, despite your concerns:<br>
If as you say, represents business interests with an IP focus, Kathy
represents users of domain names and Phil presents owners of domain
names, there is no real overlap here, and even if there were, the
leaderships role is a neutral one and one's own position should not
influence the work, wouldn't you agree?<br>
<br>
While having a leadership position filled by the CPH may be
desirable, there has been no nomination or volunteer that would fit
that slot, AFAIK. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<div><div class="h5"><br>
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<div>Am 12.04.2016 um 17:04 schrieb Greg
Shatan via gnso-rpm-wg:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I think the balance
issue cuts rather differently, and a vice-chair from the
Contracted Parties House might actually exacerbate the issue.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">If we are talking about "formal"
representation, both J. Scott and Phil are members of the
Business Constituency, so it's not fair to say that Phil,
but not J. Scott, represents "business interests." On an
informal or "de facto" level, J Scott tends to represent (or
at least stand for) the interests of businesses for whom IP
is a significant asset, while Phil represents (and actually
does represent) the interests of domain investors (a very
specific sector of the business community for whom IP is, at
best, not a significant asset). As such, Phil's perspectives
are far more aligned with those represented by Kathy, and
that is the imbalance to which I refer. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default">My suggested configuration was
intended to find a role for all 3 volunteers, while
maintaining some sort of balance. If Phil's not interested
in the GNSO Liaison role, in spite of the fact that it's the
role he volunteered for at Council, that's fine. However,
that does make it appear that this was done as a
steppingstone to the Chair and not out of interest in the
role on its own merits. Of course, I may be reading too
much into things. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default">I'd like to stress that I have the
highest respect, and even affection, for all 3 volunteers,
and for their contributions to ICANN over the years. But
the configuration of our leadership team has to take other
things into account.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:45 AM,
Jonathan Frost via gnso-rpm-wg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
tend to agree that there might be balance issues in
that the non-contracted party house would have
three representatives and the contracted party house
would have none.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I
think a viable option would be to Phil as the
Chair, J. Scott and Kathy as Vice Chairs, and a
third vice chair from the contracted party house, to
balance the equation.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Jonathan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan via gnso-rpm-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Statton Hammock
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Suggestion for
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
have some concerns with this configuration
in terms of balance (and related concerns
about the accuracy of Volker's
categorizations, on both the "formal" and de
facto levels). As such I would instead
suggest J. Scott and Kathy as co-chairs,
with Phil remaining in the role of GNSO
Liaison (the primary role to which Phil was
already appointed).</span></p>
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all,<br>
<br>
with the list of
nominations and seconds
that we have right now
(and provided we will
not get any last minute
nominations), it looks
like Phil, Scott and
Kathy have the most
support. While none of
these candidates
represent contracted
parties, I do not see
this as a problem, as I
have great faith in the
neutrality of all
candidates.<br>
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With Phil formally
representing business
interests, Scott the IP
concerns and Kathy the
non commercial users, I
propose we consider a
triumvirate, maybe with
one chair and two
co/vice-chairs, with
Phil as chair and Scott
and Kathy as co-chairs.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
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