<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>I have been reading the email traffic (which has been substantial).</div><div><br></div><div>Here are my thoughts:</div><div><br></div><div>This WG comprises too much work for a single chairperson.</div><div><br></div><div>I do not believe that the task at hand necessitates a chair or vice-chair role for the contracting parties. This WG is mainly concerned with the UDRP which has little impact on contracted parties other than ensuring that domain names remain locked and the decision is enforced.</div><div><br></div><div>A 2-person co-chair arrangement works well as long as the co-chairs can work together so that all issues are fairly and openly addressed,, meetings run smoothly and progress is made in a timely fashion. Competing ideas (of which there are surely many) should be left to the WG member discussions; they should not find their way into the chair positions. In the WG on NGOs we have had a successful co-chair arrangement in which Phil and Petter were able to work well together and where BOTH ensured that discussions remained open and that all topics were fairly presented and considered.</div><div><br></div><div>If it is felt that the co-chairs cannot accomplish the above, then it is best to have a single chair person with two vice-chairs. This will ensure that there is one person guiding the process (again as noted above) and two additional people to assist.</div><div><br></div><div>The above said, I invite those being considered to provide a clear (and short) statement addressed to the remainder of the WG indicating the following:</div><div><br></div><div>1.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Why they want to be a chair/co-chair.</div><div><br></div><div>2.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Why they believe they would be good at the role (bearing in mind the keys are IMHO neutrality and organizational skills).</div><div><br></div><div>3.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A commitment that they will serve in a neutral capacity such that matters of the WG will be dealt with in an open and fair manner such that all issues relevant to the WG mandate are addressed and considered.</div><div><br></div><div>4.<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>A commitment that they are either able to (and will) work constructively with each of the other nominated persons or a statement of why they feel they cannot work with any particular nominated person. 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However, because we are considering co-chairs/Co-Vice-Chairs I feel it is important that we all know if those being considered can or cannot work well together. </div><div><br></div><div>It is my belief that with the above to hand, we can all then move forward with more comfort in addressing how many chair/vice-chair positions there will be and who should fill those roles.</div><div><br></div><div> <span style="font-size: 11pt; ">Sincerely,</span></div><div><div style="font-size: medium; font-family: Calibri; "><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Paul Raynor Keating, Esq.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="http://law.es/" style="color: purple; ">Law.es</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Tel. +34 93 368 0247 (Spain)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Tel. +44.7531.400.177 (UK)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><b><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(102, 102, 102); ">Tel. +1.415.937.0846 (US)</span></b></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Fax. 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PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div>I strongly agree with Susan - The work is likely to bee too much for only one person, and 2 (yes - two) co-chairs will make a big difference (in a positive way) to split it up, to participate in preparations in between our WG meetings as well as to lead our calls and physical meetings. <br></div><div><br></div><div>There will definately be additional possibilities and work to do as vice chairs and/or sub-group / sub-tobic chairs, etc for a number of other members of this WG (including myself ;-)<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,<br></div><div>Petter<br></div><div><br></div><div><span class="highlight" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="font" style="font-family: 'Open Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; ">-- </span></span></span><br></div><div><span class="highlight" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><span class="font" style="font-family: 'Open Sans', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; 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This is an important PDP certainly but it unlikely to be as anything like as complex as the Subsequent
Procedures one, and even that is currently managing with 3. I would have said 2 co-chairs is the way to go for this one. I’m concerned that the bigger the “leadership” group the harder it is for them to find a time that they can actually get together to
plan for the calls. The role of the chair(s) is to be impartial after all so it should not matter where they come from but rather whether they have the requisite skill-set.
</span></span><br></p><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></span><br></p><div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><b><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(118, 146, 60);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;">Susan Payne<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Frost via gnso-rpm-wg<br><b>Sent:</b> 12 April 2016 15:45<br><b>To:</b> <br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Suggestion for Leadership Team</span></p></div></div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"> <br></p><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;">I tend to agree that there might be balance issues in that the non-contracted party house would have three representatives and the contracted
party house would have none.</span></span><br></p><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></span><br></p><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;">I think a viable option would be to Phil as the Chair, J. Scott and Kathy as Vice Chairs, and a third vice chair from the contracted party house,
to balance the equation.</span></span><br></p><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></span><br></p><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;">Jonathan</span></span><br></p><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></span><br></p><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;"> </span></span><br></p><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><b><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span class="size" style="font-size: 11pt;"> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan via gnso-rpm-wg<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> Statton Hammock <<a href="mailto:statton@rightside.rocks">statton@rightside.rocks</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> Zahid Jamil-IG via gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Suggestion for Leadership Team</span></p><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><br></p><div><div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">I have some concerns with this configuration in terms of balance (and related concerns about the accuracy of Volker's categorizations, on both the "formal" and de facto levels).
As such I would instead suggest J. Scott and Kathy as co-chairs, with Phil remaining in the role of GNSO Liaison (the primary role to which Phil was already appointed).</span><br></p></div><div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span><br></p></div><div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Greg Shatan</span><br></p></div></div><div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><br></p><div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Statton Hammock via gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:</span><br></p><blockquote style="border: none; border-left: solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt; margin-left: 4.8pt; margin-top: 5.0pt; margin-right: 0cm; margin-bottom: 5.0pt;"><div><div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Also agree with Volker's suggestion. </span><br></p></div><div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style=""> </span><br></p></div><div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="">Statton </span><br></p></div></div><div><p class="oneComWebmail-MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"></span><br></p><div><div><div><p style="margin: 0cm; margin-bottom: .0001pt;"><b><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 10pt;">Statton Hammock</span></span></b><span lang="EN-US"></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm; margin-bottom: .0001pt;"><b><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 10pt;">Vice-President, Business & Legal Affairs</span></span></b><span lang="EN-US"></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm; margin-bottom: .0001pt;"><span lang="EN-US" style="border: solid windowtext 1.0pt; padding: 0cm;"><img border="0" width="96" height="24" id="oneComWebmail-_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01D194D3.35D225B0" alt="Image removed by sender. Rightside"></span><span lang="EN-US"></span><br></p><p style="margin: 0cm; margin-bottom: .0001pt;"><b><span class="colour" style="color: rgb(153, 153, 153);"><span class="size" style="font-size: 10pt;">Office |
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with the list of nominations and seconds that we have right now (and provided we will not get any last minute nominations), it looks like Phil, Scott and Kathy have the most support. While none of these candidates represent contracted parties, I do not see
this as a problem, as I have great faith in the neutrality of all candidates.<br><br>
With Phil formally representing business interests, Scott the IP concerns and Kathy the non commercial users, I propose we consider a triumvirate, maybe with one chair and two co/vice-chairs, with Phil as chair and Scott and Kathy as co-chairs.<br><br>
Best regards,<br><br>
Volker<br>
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