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<b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><u>Adobe Connect chat transcript for 08 June 2016:</u></span></b></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group call held on Wednesday, 08 June 2016 at 16:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Wiki page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/rhiOAw">https://community.icann.org/x/rhiOAw</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Michelle.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:It looks like we're the early birds today. :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there George - yes! :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Petter Rindforth:All on Summer holiay already?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Petter. What's a 'holiday'? ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Petter Rindforth:I read about it in the Wikipedia...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:hehe Yes, something from mythology.... ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Perhaps some folks think the meeting is at 1 pm? (due to the Doodle poll)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:1 pm Eastern time, that is.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, I hope not!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Welcome David and Mary.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Tait:hi george</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Philip, Elliot, Kristine, Statton, Sara and Steve.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:<<--- Walmart greeter :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Hi George. Thanks for the shopping cart.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Thanks for the one-click checkout! :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, LOL</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Levy:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Ankur Raheja:Hello All</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:Hi Everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:good morning!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Welcome Ankur, Kathy & Susan.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Grace Mutung'u:hi all!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:hi all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Grace & Rudi.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:PDDRP is a tongue twister!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Indeed, Kathy. I suppose ICANN ran out of 2, 3, and 4-letter acronymns already..... :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:I'd like to volunteer for this group as well.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:*acronyms, even</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:Great, tx Robin</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:We will start a mailing list for the Sub Team</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:@George: perhaps :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Grace Mutung'u:I would like to volunteer for the subteam too</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:Tx you, Grace</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Can we unlock the slides? (so we can scroll?)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Please include me for the subteam also.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marina Lewis:Hi Everyone!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> khouloud dawahi:hii</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:I am In. Traffic :-(</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Thanks Kristine</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:And thanks Grace as well</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:When the 2nd-level domain name is not owned by the registry, it seems that this 'ex parte' procedure might have serious due process concerns (i.e. the provider would not have both sides of the story,
since the registrant isn't being represented).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:Sub Team Volunteer Plz</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:Tx Kristine and Vaibhav</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:@George - the action is against the RO, not the registrant: 18.1 Since registrants are not a party to the action, a recommended remedy cannot take theform of deleting, transferring or suspending registrations
(except to the extentregistrants have been shown to be officers, directors, agents, employees, or entitiesunder common control with a registry operator).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Grace Mutung'u:Just wondering whether this PDDRP envisages other rights that may not be registered trade marks....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:What is the initial filing fee and other costs to be borne in bringing a PDDRP?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:The 30 days notice prior to filing a complaint -- something that we might want to utilize in the UDRP, when we get to it.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Forum's fee structure is similar to a traditional arbitration. From Forum's Supp Rules: Fees are a combination of flat administrative fees and hourly panelist fees. Estimated
panel fees are collected up front and as needed throughout the process. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Here's WIPO's PDDRP page -- <a href="http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/tmpddrp/">http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/tmpddrp/</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Fees are much higher than UDRP -- <a href="http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/amc/en/docs/feestmpddrp.pdf">http://www.wipo.int/export/sites/www/amc/en/docs/feestmpddrp.pdf</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Up to $30,500.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cyntia King:Are fees recoverable if the Registry is found to be at fault?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:@GK the 2nd link dosent work</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Note how 45 day response period is far higher than the 20 days for UDRP. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:George: That's because, spoiler alert, this is not a lightweight mechanism. A Provider can recommend a Registry be shut down.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Petter Rindforth:Question: in what amount have the PDDRP providers at least received questions from TM owners (that may indicate that TM owners at least have considered using the PDDRP)?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Vaibhav: Might be your browser? Links work fine here (or search Google for "PDDRP WIPO").</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Kristine: For a 7-figure domain name, the damage for a UDRP can be the same, for a respondent.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:Got it</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:@Petter - that 's a great question for the Providers</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:No argument there, George, though the INTENT of the UDRP was very lightweight and the INTENT of TMPDDRP was not.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Would be interested in knowing whether, when PDDRP was created, any consideration was given to pemitting a "class action" -- that is, permitting a group of aggrieved TM owners to bring a joint action
and thereby defray the considerable costs?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:@Philip - the answer to that is yes it was considered, but because of complexities of Class Actions (including who can represent a class, etc.), it was not accepted. Those could be handled in court</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Would the "remedial measures" , if they're discretionary, effectively transform the PDDRP panelists into defacto policy makers, which is really the role of the GNSO?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Thx Jeff</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cyntia King:Again, are fees recoverable if the Registry is found to be at fault?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:I probably should state for the record that I was involved in the original creation (for better or worse)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:@Cyntia -- there is your answer :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:How do panels enforce 'costs'? i.e. they're not courts, so is there some jurisdiction that they all agree to, for enforcement of costs?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Yes, in full disclosure, I helped with the PDDRP Rules and developed Forum's Supp Rules, though I'm no longer at Forum.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:George do you mean the procedure costs</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Forum's rules require deposits like in traditional arbitration.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Kristine: costs awarded against the unsucessful party, by the panel.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:All costs from the registries can be recovered as a contractual matter with ICANN. In other words, failure of a registry to pay is a breach of the RA in and of itself</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:+1 Jeff</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:As the Cmoplainant must pay all costs up front, the case will not be heard if the Complainant doesnt pay its portion</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Complainant</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:How about appeal to a court? If a registry was to be shuttered I'd think they'd want that option.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Jeff: I think ICANN has not had success collecting fees from contracted parties in the past, given the "correspondences" page. Might need to have deposits, etc.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:@Philip the remedy is termination by ICANN. The registry can "appeal" by invoking dispute resolution procedures under its registry agreement</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:What's the jurisdiction for court proceedings? Is it a "mutual jurisdiction"?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Denise Michel:Thanks, Mary. Very useful</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:@George - As ICANN decides the remedy ultimately, any "appeal" by the registry is done under the governing law provisions of the Registry Agreement</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:The PDDRP Rules also state: State that Complainant will submit, with respect to any challenges to a decision in the administrative 6proceeding, to the jurisdiction of the courts
where the Registry has its principle place of business;</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:@Mary - Can we get control of scrolling the slides ourselves?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Thanks Jeff.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Jeff, done</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael A. Peroff:Thank you, Mary!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Ankur Raheja:Thanks Mary </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:If it costs $30K+, I can see why no one has used it yet.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:The Read was Interesting MAry. Thanx</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Remember a court proceding looking at these matters would be hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Question: Can GROUPS of TM holders use the PDDRP, in a single complaint? (kind of like how groups of copyright holders go after The Pirate Bay, etc.)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman: you are talking about taking away an entire registry</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:George, it depends on the provider. I don't think ADNDRC is that much. And Fpri,</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:And Forum's pricing starts at the cost of a UDRP and goes up based on requests from the parties (discovery, hearing, etc)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Levy:I know that FORUM has identified potential Panelists since I'm one of them</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:@Jeff: exactly, it could be revocation of an entire registry, potentiallly with thousands or even millions of registrants...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Jeff: some domain names are worth far more than $185K. Although, it's good that you negotiated a better procedure for registries in the PDDRP, than registrants get in the UDRP! </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, on jurisdiction I believe that the Complainant has to agree to the jurisdiction where the registry operator has its principal office.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:@George, that is not the issue. In this case you are going after a registry for what other people do. In a UDRP you are going after the registrant for what it does</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:BIG Difference</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:I don't see that there is anjy need to remove this mechanissm - even if we made no changes is there any burden to it remaining available for use should an appropriate case arise? Perhaps that's a questyion
for the Providers - is there any ogoing cost to them in having this procedure available if not used? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Jeff: Isn't the PDDRP going after what the registry does??!!?? (see the earlier slides)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Part 3: "Registry Operator's affirmative conduct....."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:@George - this is more of a contributory infringement claim</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(on slide page 4)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Susan: I think one of the questions is "would changes make it more useful"?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:Question: given how much it costs to obtain a registry (far highter than we knew), is it TOO EASY to bring a TM-PDDRP action? And do we still need it?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:@Kristine - agreed. I was just reacting to the suggestion that perhaps we should remove this procedure because it hasn't been used</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marina Lewis:The Complainant needs to make a showing that the RO engaged in an affirmative pattern of bad-faith registration. Having a situation where many registrants register infringing domains on their own isn't
enough. Otherwise, Verisign (.com) would have been the subject of a PDDRP a long time ago.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Given the Communications Decency Act, for US-based registries, I think the law gives them broad immunity.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cyntia King:I htink it may be useful for the group to identify a few policies/procedures that should be carried across all mechanisms (given applicability). For example, the ability for the losing party to be assessed
the fees of the prevailling party should be considered for the UDRP, & URS.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Cyntia, we have to be careful because the different mechanisms do different things and ICANN has varying levels of control over the parties in each situation.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Statton Hammock:Well said Jeff. Thanks for sharing that insight. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:@Brian or anyone: can we point to any example where the PDDRP would be exercised, even if a willful blindness standard was in place? I don't think there is and would recommend that the standard not be
changed until there are real-life examples where reducing the standard would serve th epublic good.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cyntia King:Understood. But a I think it may be helppful to have additional consistency, if we can.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kurt Pritz:I.e., I don't think there is sufficient data in place to justify upsetting the existingg policy. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:The PDDRP gives this example of infringement at the top level (by the registry): "An example of infringement at the top-level is where a TLD string is identical to atrademark and then the registry operator
holds itself out as the beneficiary of the mark."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry:Apologies - I have a weekly conflict with this call so I have to jump. I'll catch the rest via audio and the list.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Thanks for the help, Kristine!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marina Lewis:The CDA is designed to protect OSP/ISP's who are passive platforms for infringing content. In a TRUE contributory infringement case, the CDA doesn't provide such sweeping immunity.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cyntia King:@Mary: How is .SUCKS not in violation of ""An example of infringement at the top-level is where a TLD string is identical to atrademark and then the registry operator holds itself out as the beneficiary
of the mark."?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Caroline Chicoine:Just a reminder of how the Lanham Act deals with Registry and Registar liability - Under the Lanham Act (Section 32) a domain name registrar, a domain name registry, or other domain name registration
authority shall not be liable for damages under this section for the registration or maintenance of a domain name for another absent a showing of bad faith intent to profit from such registration or maintenance of the domain name.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Cyntia, I don't think I can respond to that question, sorry.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cyntia King:@Mary: :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:@cyntia - Mary couldnt answer, but I did :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:We (staff) will double check the transcript for the oral discussion/questions.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:Is there a Provision for a Refund ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:or Application Withdrawl</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:and Refund</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Are we having a meeting on June 22nd (a few days before the ICANN meeting in Helsinki)? Or will it be skipped, to allow travel, etc?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@George, I believe there will not be a meeting that day</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:@Vaibhav, are you asking generally, or after a specific outcome?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:It might be wise to offer a mediation service, to complement the PDDRP, given that the PDDRP has never been used.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:@GK good Suggestion so Mediation could be a Step - Try there - Pay Less and then Move on with a Heaftier fee to go ahead</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:In my province of Ontario, there's a mandatory mediation program for civil suits, see: <a href="https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/courts/manmed/">https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/courts/manmed/</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:@Kathy : I am asking a Question Specifically as part of the Process</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Neda S. (Forum):Forum will participate as well. Thanks. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Nominet also has mediation, for their domain disputes, I believe.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(for .uk)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Cyntia King:Mediation as a first step should not be mandatory in this case, especially in hte case of clear & ongoing damage.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:Nominet is not Volunterily - it is mandated by the Regitry</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:Can be confirmed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:as part of Data Gathering</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:@Phil Can We send the Advance Claneders please</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:Everyone please fill out the Doodle poll!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:It's at <a href="http://doodle.com/poll/5t5zaticrz9cfizf">http://doodle.com/poll/5t5zaticrz9cfizf</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:I think we are missing some mails on the List</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:We are trying to figure out whether we can move the main meeting time one hour later </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:Can We not just have a List with email IDs of the Group</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:Is that a problem for people, particularly in Europe and Asia?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rudi Vansnick:thanks, till next call </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Bye everyone.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:Asia Shud be ok</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:Please send PDDRP Provider questions to the list!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> WIPO - Brian Beckham:Yes, Kathy, we would appreciate leaving it (the time) as is.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Marina Lewis:Thanks, everyone!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Georges Nahitchevansky:bye everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:Thanks, all, bye!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Denise Michel:Thanks</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Darcy Southwell:Thank you!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> VAIBHAV AGGARWAL:thanks Peeps</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Levy:Thanks Kathy</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathy Kleiman:Tx Mary for a great presentation!</div>
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