<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Greg, do you feel better now?</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Can we move on?<br><br><span style="font-size: 13pt;">Paul Keating</span></div><div><br>On 20 Aug 2016, at 7:43 PM, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I had drafted a lengthy response to some of the earlier emails in this thread, but out of respect for our co-Chair's request, I'll "bookmark" it in my drafts folder for the appropriate time -- in spite of Paul McGrady's wise counsel that "<span style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">in ICANNland, bad ideas get traction unless immediately confronted.</span>"</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As for "playing nice," I will point out that Paul McGrady's email regarding potentially requiring financial disclosures by domain name applicants was in response to George's email suggestion to require financial disclosures by UDRP complainants, not (as assumed) the earlier "proof of use" suggestion. Thus, the scolding to "play nice" was predicated on a false premise and completely uncalled-for. On a topic where passions run high and imaginations run unchecked, it's probably a wise thing to check what people are responding to before responding to them.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I find it amusing that the command to "play nice" was issued almost the first time somebody said something remotely unfavorable to respondents, on a thread previously devoted almost entirely to impugning, narrowing the rights of and raising the bar for trademark owners -- often based on statements that were far more deserving of that cautionary command. While many of these statements were highly rebuttable (to say the least...), I'll hold the catalogue of rebuttals for when the time comes.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 12:58 PM, Paul McGrady <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:policy@paulmcgrady.com" target="_blank">policy@paulmcgrady.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks Paul K.,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Your suggestion of tabling this is very welcome. Even so, I think we have to make sure that we don’t imply other thinkers aren’t “playing nice” if we try to find the right balance of reciprocal obligations in UDRP reform (assuming the UDRP is ever diagnosed as needing reform). I expect this will become a topic when these issues are visited at the proper time. We will all have to be very patient, at that time, with the long wish lists that appear to have been growing over the last decade. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best,<u></u><u></u></span></p><span class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Paul D. McGrady, Jr.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="mailto:policy@paulmcgrady.com" target="_blank">policy@paulmcgrady.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></span><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:Paul@law.es" target="_blank">Paul@law.es</a> ZIMBRA [mailto:<a href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank">paul@law.es</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 20, 2016 11:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> Paul McGrady <<a href="mailto:policy@paulmcgrady.com" target="_blank">policy@paulmcgrady.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs & TM applications<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Paul,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Let's play nice. Proof of use is certainly not a financial disclosure and I would think any trademark holder acting in good faith should have no problem, showing actual use.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">At any rate lets table this for the appropriate moment. <br><br><span style="font-size:13.0pt">Paul Keating</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On 20 Aug 2016, at 4:45 PM, Paul McGrady <<a href="mailto:policy@paulmcgrady.com" target="_blank">policy@paulmcgrady.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks George. An interesting idea. I wonder how Respondents would feel about a reciprocal requirement that they turn over audited financial statements in order to have standing to register a domain name? You might have finally cooked up the deterrent to cybersquatting in the first place! <br><br>Regards,<br>Paul<br><br><br>Paul D. McGrady, Jr.<br><a href="mailto:policy@paulmcgrady.com" target="_blank">policy@paulmcgrady.com</a><br><br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of George Kirikos<br>Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:20 AM<br>To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs & TM applications<br><br>To participate in a new gTLD sunrise period, a TMCH markholder must submit a proof of use, see question/answer 2.2 through 2.4 of:<br><br><a href="https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/about/trademark-clearinghouse/faqs" target="_blank">https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/<wbr>about/trademark-clearinghouse/<wbr>faqs</a><br><br>The justification for that requirement was to prevent gaming. This rule was established before sunrise periods even came about for new gTLDs, as folks expected abuse if the proof of use requirement did not exist (and they saw what happened in the .EU sunrise).<br><br>The same principle should apply to the UDRP, given the *actual* abuse we're observing, as folks exploit gaping loopholes in the policy. In the 1990s, the drafters of the UDRP either did not contemplate these kinds of attacks, or did not appreciate the potential severity of the problem. To not eliminate those loopholes would invite further abuse of domain name registrants.<br><br>We're not at that disussion point yet, but when we get there I will suggest going much further than simply using "proof of use" for standing requirements of the UDRP. If there was an actual lawsuit, it's almost a certainty that revenues generated by the trademarked goods/services would need to be presented to the courts. If UDRP complainants had to file audited financials relating to actual revenues generated from their mark, that would go a long way to eliminating abuse of the procedure by trademark trolls.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>George Kirikos<br><a href="tel:416-588-0269" value="+14165880269" target="_blank">416-588-0269</a><br><a href="http://www.leap.com/" target="_blank">http://www.leap.com/</a><br><br>On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Paul McGrady <<a href="mailto:policy@paulmcgrady.com" target="_blank">policy@paulmcgrady.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">While I think this subject is several months premature, and I don’t <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">want to wade in on the substance at this time, we should note that <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">what is being suggested here is that ICANN give preference to certain <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">national trademark regimes and disregard others. Tricky topic in <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">ICANNland for sure, especially these days.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Best to all,<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Paul<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Paul D. McGrady, Jr.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:policy@paulmcgrady.com" target="_blank">policy@paulmcgrady.com</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">[<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>]<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">On Behalf Of Edward Morris<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:53 PM<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">To: Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs & TM applications<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Excellent point, Phil.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">On 20 Aug 2016, at 00:49, Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">This suggests to me that all trademarks are not created equal, and <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">that when we reach our UDRP work we may wish to address the issue of <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">whether a certain quality of trademark should be required for filing a UDRP.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Philip S. 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class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">[<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>]<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">On Behalf Of Emil<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 5:44 PM<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">To: Paul Keating<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Cc: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs & TM applications<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Paul, thank you for appreciating my concern.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">I am very pleased to see that I can bring value in this exclusive <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">community of professionals.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">In the last 12 years I've seen a lot of cases where legitimate SMEs <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">get bullied with the "we'll get your domain" threat based on abusive <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">TM registrations, mostly postdating the domain name registration <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">dates. In some cases I am very familiar with the patterns - as in how <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">relatively established website owners try to game the system - concrete ways.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">This is a major problem in certain countries of Europe (eastern block) <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">and outside Europe (countries like Tunisia let's say) where you can <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">theoretically register any trademark even if it is not necessarily <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">distinctive, special nor recognizable.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">On 20 Aug 2016 00:15, Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:Paul@law.es" target="_blank">Paul@law.es</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">This and comments such as George's should not be lost. These comments <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">need to be retained and specifically addressed during the UDRP portion of the WG.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">From: <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><wbr>> on behalf of Emil <<a href="mailto:emil@cv.ro" target="_blank">emil@cv.ro</a>><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Date: Friday, August 19, 2016 4:30 PM<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">To: George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Cc: <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs & TM applications<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">George, often TM registrations are granted on bogus or strange claims. <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">For example Christian Louboutin was granted a TM for red shoes <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">outsole. By this logic BMW could be granted a TM for silver cars.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">In the domain world:<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">There is a car rental company called <a href="http://economycarrentals.com" target="_blank">economycarrentals.com</a>. They tried <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">to obtain a TM at European level for "economy car rentals", a super <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">generic term used by thousands of rental agencies. Why? So that they <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">can claim <a href="http://economyrentacar.com" target="_blank">economyrentacar.com</a> and <a href="http://economyrentalcars.com" target="_blank">economyrentalcars.com</a> in WIPO - the <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">EMD of their main competitor.<u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">They were refused (now twice) an EM Europe Wide trademark for lack of <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">distinctiveness but went on and tried at country level. A handfull of <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">countries allowed them to register a word (not figurative) trademark <u></u><u></u></p></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal">on "economy car rentals" a dictionary super generic formulation. 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