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<p>Come on guys, play nice!</p>
<p>VG<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 21.08.2016 um 09:15 schrieb Greg
Shatan:<br>
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cite="mid:CA+aOHUSxHosinF7Oh40w2hy=ho=x2G4tzjuwprj0jWM_gOHdTw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Wow. Not sure what I did to merit _that_ email. I
thought we were supposed to "play nice."
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<div>Clearly, I didn't write that email to "feel better." I did it
to put a marker down that there were allegations made in this
thread that can and will be rebutted when the time comes. Our
co-Chair asked us to move on and I respected that request. But
I didn't want anyone to think these statements were correct or
generally agreed to just because there was no substantive
response on this thread.</div>
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<div>We can move on now (in fact, I thought we already had -- that
was kind of the point of the prior email)<span></span>. But
we'll be back.<br>
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On Saturday, August 20, 2016, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Paul@law.es">Paul@law.es</a> ZIMBRA <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>>
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<div>Greg, do you feel better now?</div>
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<div>Can we move on?<br>
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<span style="font-size:13pt">Paul Keating</span></div>
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On 20 Aug 2016, at 7:43 PM, Greg Shatan <<a
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href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregshatanipc@gmail.com');"
target="_blank">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I had drafted
a lengthy response to some of the earlier emails in
this thread, but out of respect for our co-Chair's
request, I'll "bookmark" it in my drafts folder for
the appropriate time -- in spite of Paul McGrady's
wise counsel that "<span
style="font-size:12.8px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">in
ICANNland, bad ideas get traction unless
immediately confronted.</span>"</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As for
"playing nice," I will point out that Paul McGrady's
email regarding potentially requiring financial
disclosures by domain name applicants was in
response to George's email suggestion to require
financial disclosures by UDRP complainants, not (as
assumed) the earlier "proof of use" suggestion.
Thus, the scolding to "play nice" was predicated on
a false premise and completely uncalled-for. On a
topic where passions run high and imaginations run
unchecked, it's probably a wise thing to check what
people are responding to before responding to them.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I find it
amusing that the command to "play nice" was issued
almost the first time somebody said something
remotely unfavorable to respondents, on a thread
previously devoted almost entirely to impugning,
narrowing the rights of and raising the bar for
trademark owners -- often based on statements that
were far more deserving of that cautionary command.
While many of these statements were highly
rebuttable (to say the least...), I'll hold the
catalogue of rebuttals for when the time comes.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 12:58
PM, Paul McGrady <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','policy@paulmcgrady.com');"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thanks
Paul K.,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Your
suggestion of tabling this is very
welcome. Even so, I think we have to make
sure that we don’t imply other thinkers
aren’t “playing nice” if we try to find
the right balance of reciprocal
obligations in UDRP reform (assuming the
UDRP is ever diagnosed as needing
reform). I expect this will become a
topic when these issues are visited at the
proper time. We will all have to be very
patient, at that time, with the long wish
lists that appear to have been growing
over the last decade. </span></p>
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D. McGrady, Jr.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a
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ZIMBRA [mailto:<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 20, 2016
11:18 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul McGrady <<a
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<b>Cc:</b> George Kirikos <<a
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target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>>;
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg]
Questionable UDRPs & TM
applications</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Let's play nice.
Proof of use is certainly not a
financial disclosure and I would think
any trademark holder acting in good
faith should have no problem, showing
actual use.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At any rate lets
table this for the appropriate
moment. <br>
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<span style="font-size:13.0pt">Paul
Keating</span></p>
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On 20 Aug 2016, at 4:45 PM, Paul
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks George.
An interesting idea. I wonder how
Respondents would feel about a
reciprocal requirement that they
turn over audited financial
statements in order to have standing
to register a domain name? You
might have finally cooked up the
deterrent to cybersquatting in the
first place! <br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Paul<br>
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Paul D. McGrady, Jr.<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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On Behalf Of George Kirikos<br>
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 8:20
AM<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org');"
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Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg]
Questionable UDRPs & TM
applications<br>
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To participate in a new gTLD sunrise
period, a TMCH markholder must
submit a proof of use, see
question/answer 2.2 through 2.4 of:<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/about/trademark-clearinghouse/faqs"
target="_blank">https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/<wbr>about/trademark-clearinghouse/<wbr>faqs</a><br>
<br>
The justification for that
requirement was to prevent gaming.
This rule was established before
sunrise periods even came about for
new gTLDs, as folks expected abuse
if the proof of use requirement did
not exist (and they saw what
happened in the .EU sunrise).<br>
<br>
The same principle should apply to
the UDRP, given the *actual* abuse
we're observing, as folks exploit
gaping loopholes in the policy. In
the 1990s, the drafters of the UDRP
either did not contemplate these
kinds of attacks, or did not
appreciate the potential severity of
the problem. To not eliminate those
loopholes would invite further abuse
of domain name registrants.<br>
<br>
We're not at that disussion point
yet, but when we get there I will
suggest going much further than
simply using "proof of use" for
standing requirements of the UDRP.
If there was an actual lawsuit, it's
almost a certainty that revenues
generated by the trademarked
goods/services would need to be
presented to the courts. If UDRP
complainants had to file audited
financials relating to actual
revenues generated from their mark,
that would go a long way to
eliminating abuse of the procedure
by trademark trolls.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
George Kirikos<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:416-588-0269"
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target="_blank">416-588-0269</a><br>
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[gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs
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href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org');"
target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@ic<wbr>ann.org</a>]</p>
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href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org');"
target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re:
[gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs
& TM applications</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am very
pleased to see that I can bring
value in this exclusive </p>
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professionals.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the last 12
years I've seen a lot of cases
where legitimate SMEs </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">get bullied
with the "we'll get your domain"
threat based on abusive </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">TM
registrations, mostly postdating
the domain name registration </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">dates. In some
cases I am very familiar with the
patterns - as in how </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">relatively
established website owners try to
game the system - concrete ways.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is a major
problem in certain countries of
Europe (eastern block) </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">and outside
Europe (countries like Tunisia
let's say) where you can </p>
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register any trademark even if it
is not necessarily </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20 Aug 2016
00:15, Paul Keating <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Paul@law.es');"
target="_blank">Paul@law.es</a>>
wrote:</p>
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comments such as George's should
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retained and specifically
addressed during the UDRP portion
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target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><wbr>>
on behalf of Emil <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">emil@cv.ro</a>></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Date: Friday,
August 19, 2016 4:30 PM</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: George
Kirikos <<a
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href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','icann@leap.com');"
target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re:
[gnso-rpm-wg] Questionable UDRPs
& TM applications</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">George, often
TM registrations are granted on
bogus or strange claims. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For example
Christian Louboutin was granted a
TM for red shoes </p>
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this logic BMW could be granted a
TM for silver cars.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In the domain
world:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is a car
rental company called <a
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href="http://economycarrentals.com"
target="_blank">economycarrentals.com</a>.
They tried </p>
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at European level for "economy car
rentals", a super </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">generic term
used by thousands of rental
agencies. Why? So that they </p>
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and <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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