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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in
all gTLDs PDP Working Group call held on Wednesday, 05 October 2016 at 17:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/rhC4Aw">https://community.icann.org/x/rhC4Aw</a></span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">MP3:</span></b><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#111111;text-decoration:none">
<a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-05oct16-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-05oct16-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</a></span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Mailing list archives: </span><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;background:white">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/</span></a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Wiki page: </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/rhiOAw">https://community.icann.org/x/rhiOAw</a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Terri Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Adobe Connect chat transcript for 05 October 2016:</span></u></b>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group hled on Wednesday, 05 October 2016 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Courier New""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: https://community.icann.org/x/rhC4Aw<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:Hi folks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jay Chapman:Hello all. Hi George. Exciting finish by your Jays last night :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Vaibhav Aggarwal (Blade-BRAINS Group):Greetings earthlings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:Here's the video of the winning home run. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:http://m.mlb.com/news/article/204957478/blue-jays-beat-orioles-in-al-wild-card-game/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:How are you, Jay?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:My blue font matches the Toronto Blue Jays colours. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jay Chapman:Well done!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:Edwin Encarnacion is a free agent at the end of the season (so is Jose Bautista). I hope Toronto can re-sign them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:Hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:Welcome, Paul.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:Thanks George how's things in sunny Canada?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Philip Corwin:Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Steve Levy:Hi everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:Fantastic here, Paul. How are you?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:Welcome Phil & Steve.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:Good George, were having an Indian Summer and fall is just beginning to show in the trees<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Salvador Camacho Hernandez:Hello everybody!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:The timeline indicates no meeting the week before HYD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):hello All<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Terri Agnew:Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group is scheduled for Wednesday, 19 October 2016 at 21:00 UTC for 60 minutes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:Sorry Phil - I had audio/mic issues. Can you repeat your question?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:I have no audio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Vinzenz Heussler:Me neither<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:Re decisions on Charter questions - as far as staff can recall, no definitive decisions were made as to what to drop or language for refining any<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:Sorry to be late. Busy here.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:I closed my browser and restarted and now have audio<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kathy Kleiman:@Bret and Vinzenz: sound is coming in on both phone and adobe connection.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kathy Kleiman:Great!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Vinzenz Heussler:Have audio again, thx!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:I think we need to ask "What data do we need to answer each of these questions?", and then go out and get that data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:@George, the TMCH Sub Team is doing that and should report back soon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:Thanks, Mary. Perhaps this discussion is premature, then, if we've not heard back from them yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:@George, the Sub Team has been careful to not analyze or edit the questions - they're using the questions as a baseline to figure out what data they might need, so hopefully the parallel
discussions actually will align well.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:i think so<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:All, if the questions are not clear, it may be helpful to try to refiine/edit them as part of the WG discussion as to whether to consider any particular question?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Question 5 is poorly worded - "how should". It presupposes a problem. As a WG we should start by asking if sunrise should be in some way limited by
the the TM's G&S. The answer may be yes or no. If yes, then we need to discuss how we would do that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marie Pattullo:Trying to limit by class (how?) would also be extremely difficult to enforce, not least because a word may be generic in language one and mean nothing in language two.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Denise Michel:apologies for being late<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:@Kristine, maybe Q5 should start with "Should" rather than "How should"; and possibly a "If so, how?" be added at the end?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Marie, I think that is the gist of the questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:can here you here<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:@Mary, yes.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Griffin Barnett:I could hear Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Phil Marano (Mayer Brown):Can hear Greg just fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Laurie Anderson:Is anyone getting a bad echo?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Griffin Barnett:Now I hear terrible echo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):We had this issue earlier with another group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I'm on the phone...no echo.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marie Pattullo:No echo and no Greg *sad*.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):the phone line cannot hear those using just the adobe room to participat<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Beth Allegretti:No echo and I couldn't hear Greg<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:The phone bridge is clearer - seems like a few people are having AC audio issues today<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):The phone line is clear....but we cant hear some that participate through the adobe room only<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marie Pattullo:But we should not be attempting to remove rights that TM owners have in law.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Reg Levy - M+M:I heard Greg and now I'm getting Kathy through Greg's phone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:Really bad echo here from Kathy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Georges Nahitchevansky:I am hearing multiple people speaking and feedback<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Reg Levy - M+M:thanks, Greg :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:*6 to mute/unmute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:All, please dial in on the phone bridge if you're having AC audio issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:Audio problem dealt with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:+1 Kathy. The TMCH database should be entirely public.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:Hey, don't talk bad about our product. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:If the TMCH database should exist at all. In my view, it would be better to simply have an API (like TMView does) that interfaces with all the national TM databases. And then kill
the sunrise special access. So, it would just be a "notice" database, without any gaming effects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Edward Morris:Agree with George and Kathy. With ICANN's new status anything we can do to allow light into all of our processes should be favoured in order to generate public confidence in our
methods and processes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):There were some very good arguments by the IPC prior to the 20912 round as to why the TMCH should not be public.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):I believe we should ask the IPC if the same rationale applies today<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:We shouldn't just "ask the IPC" -- we should determine it based on all input, not giving special input to the IPC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Edward Morris:I'd like to hear the arguments Jeff. Of course, we have to realise that the envoronment has changed. Still, I'd like to hear the rationale.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:Note that our WG and the New gTLD WG each have liaisons to the other who are members of both WGs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@George - just giving you context, not making any judgments<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):WE should also document why some believe it should be made public<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:The questions from 40,000 feet is simple "What are the costs and benefits of the TMCH? If the costs exceed the benefits, should the TMCH be discontinued, or be modified to correct
the imbalance?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:I would guess 2 is amied at all new gTLDs ending up with existing rigths holders rather than new entrants (generic trems)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:I obviously disagree with J. Scott on the prior point. It's like saying that new gTLDs should only be evaluated by talking to registry operators, rather than listening to registrants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:We should discuss if we can prevent reverse engineering or other activities designed to thwart the non-public nature of the TMCH database.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:As I mentioned on the liast last week, TMCH registrations leave footprints when they are used for sunrise preferences. See, e.g., http://www.thedomains.com/2016/07/06/new-gtld-tube-goes-live-thursday-less-than-50-sunrise-domain-registrations-by-tm-holders/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:(since new gTLDs were created for registry operators, by J. Scott's logic). TMCH impacts registrants, so their input should be equal to that of the IPC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:+1 J Scott. Well said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:Trademark owners ARE registrants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:@Greg: Sometimes they are --- sometimes they are not, i.e. they seek to BLOCK registrations, via the notices.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:That doesn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:'t mean they're not registrants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marie Pattullo:@George û no, because new gTLDs were supposed to benefit all (clean) players; the TMCH is simply a repository for TMs allowing the TM owners to choose where and whether to register
their TMs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marie Pattullo:So - what Jeff said :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):Actually it is a Review of the "Effectiveness" of the RPMs, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:@Jeff. Correct.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):ICANN profits a bit from TMCH , so they are in conflict of interests<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:ICANN was always a private organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:"Security by obscurity" doesn't work. TMCH can be easily reverse-engineered (and probably was). Just try registerting hundreds of thousands of domains, and see if you get a TMCH
match.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:@Edward: a trademark protection mechanism that threatens trademark interests is, by definition, not effective.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):when not allowing competition<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:There are good policy reasons for keeping the database confidential.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:Or, run the entire USPTO database via automated registration attempts, and check against the TMCH matches that show up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:@Greg +1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:@Greg: is this the same position when the IPC talks against WHOIS privacy? :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:Apples and oranges.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):I was on the STI as well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Lori Schulman:Thats the point. The mechanisms are new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:A closed database is not a problem<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Lori Schulman:Many new gTLDs are not launched yet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Lori Schulman:we want good, objective data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:The folks who don't want to review the TMCH openly --- do they want to apply it to .com, though, as a "consensus" policy? Or do they want to keep it strictly limited to new gTLDs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:@Kathy. If we are going there, then I want to reserve the right to re-open all the issue wrt the PDDRP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:If they simply want to keep the TMCH, etc. applicable only to new gTLDs, I think most folks won't care.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:(well, "most folks" is general -- I bet the new gTLD registries will ask why they're singled out....)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Lori Schulman:@George, thanks for the clarifying issues re: .com vs. new gTLDs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> David Tait:we can<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Griffin Barnett:can hear steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:*6 to mute/unmute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Let's say we discuss an open TMCH. - what is the harm caused by a closed TMCH? I'm hearing complaints that a notice is generated. Most average
domain name registrants aren't going to look up the legitimacy of their domain name registration before they register, so the notice is a "push" of TMCH information. I'm missing the reason why the clamor for an open TMCH? What problem is that going to address?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Vinzenz Heussler:Hearing you<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@George , .com for comoros islands and via country and territory policy :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:fine in chat<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> khouloud Dawahi:yes
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> David Tait:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Bret Fausett, Uniregistry:I can hear him<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Gary Saposnik:I can hear<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Laurie Anderson:I am hearing Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I hear Steve
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Lori Schulman:there are delays with the telephone mute/unmute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marie Pattullo:Nope.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:I can't hear him.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Georges Nahitchevansky:I can hear him<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Terri Agnew:@Steve, please check your mute<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> khouloud Dawahi:i can hear you
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Steve Levy:Sorry. Will dial in<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> khouloud Dawahi:yes
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:I can hear him on Adobe.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:Strange.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Georges Nahitchevansky:There is now feedback<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Terri Agnew:checking on why<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:I can hear you thorough the speaker on computer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Beth Allegretti:+1 Kristine open vs. closed TMCH<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Beth Allegretti:I can't hear at all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Bradley Silver:cant hear anything<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Steve is only on the AC room audio....for some reason.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):I would be happy to have my company manage the TMCH Databases for much cheaper :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Denise Michel:Could we get a full transcript please<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Steve Levy:For those who couldn't hear me, +1 J. Scott. TMs are public but prioritization by registering in TMCH should be considered a trade secretSo far, havenÆt seen any uses of TMCH data
(leaked or otherwise) which would be considered constructive and have only seen abuse in pricing of domainsHelsinki Q4: Valid in principle. But cost of operation? Would others jump into the market if operation is a money loser?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:@Greg, that is the plan - but a date and topic hasn't been discussed or agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:We will need to deal with the issues of abuse of the TMCH database. While this would be exacerbated by opening the database, these should be dealt with regardless.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:@Denise, the call transcript and AC chat history will be posted to the WG wiki for this meeting date.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:Thanks, Mary!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marie Pattullo:@Kristine - I was wondering the same: what benefit would an open DB bring? And if any, balanced against the TM owners' interests, would it be proportionate?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:@Phil. We need a small drafting team to put forth some draft objective questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marina Lewis:+1 J.Scott and Steve L.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> David Tait:@Densie, further to Mary's comment this should be within the next 24-48 hours<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):OUt of curiousity, why do we need a shorter list?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1,Google doc in comments mode
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):Yes, we should make sure the questions are clear, but why cant we start with these<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:@Phil. Anything more than 5 becomes unweildy IMHO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:@ Jeff they are not mutually exclusive questions/issues<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marina Lewis:Phil - I lost my phone connection. I'll respond in chat,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:or broadened...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marina Lewis:How about we send out this list as is to the group for quick and short feedback? (e.g., a 24 or 48 hour turnaround)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I'm going to suggest that the TMCH subteam has sort of started this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):better not 48 hours of the weekend<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marina Lewis:+1 Kristine - I'm on that subteam and I think we can include this in our work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Griffin Barnett:Probably no need to impose such artificially short turnaround for review, given 2 week break until next WG meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:Good point Griffin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:+1 Phil.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:I am happy to coordinate a team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:We may want to break this list up into sub parts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:Right now it covers the waterfront.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Kathy Kleiman:I would be happy to help J. Scott coordinate this new subgroup, if people want to volunteer for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:I'm haapy to help on a sub team<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:"Premium names" have higher renewal costs too, Phil.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:So, that might have been the concern.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):Correct PHil, lets not offer opinions on Premium names at this poiint<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:Premium names raise significant issues with regard to Sunrise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:(so, striking a name from the "premium names" list would reduce defensive registration costs)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> J. Scott Evans:I am going to have to sign off to join a work call. Again, I am happy to work to put a small drafting team together.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Jeff Neuman (Valideus):@Greg - yes, which is why I am not sure Phil should editorialize on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:Stopping price gouging through abuse of premium names would also lower defensive registration costs, and be consistent with RPM goals.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Lori Schulman:Sorry, thought I was on mute.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Lori Schulman:I am on when I should be "off" "Off" when I should be on. mmmm.....<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> George Kirikos:Bye folks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Lori Schulman:ciao<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Steve Levy:Bye all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Paul Tattersfield:bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:Please remember - no call next week.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Mary Wong:We resume on 19 Oct.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marie Pattullo:Have a great evening, all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Steve Levy:Thanks,Phil<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Darcy Southwell:Thanks, all, bye!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Brian Winterfeldt (Mayer Brown):Thank you Phil!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Brian Winterfeldt (Mayer Brown):By everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Marina Lewis:bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Greg Shatan:Bye all!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Georges Nahitchevansky:Bye everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> Salvador Camacho Hernandez:Bye!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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