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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group call held on
Wednesday, 19 October 2016 at 21:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: </span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/che4Aw" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">https://community.icann.org/x/che4Aw</a></p>
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<b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat </span></u></b><b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">transcript for 19 October 2016:</span></u></b></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group call on Wednesday, 19 October 2016 at 21:00 UTC</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Agenda page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_che4Aw&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=5LnxiDeefBK6yWzyV3RjzAlySd_UKQ-TBCW0-kAWTeg&s=47eMqLabospf0S1ybphebBnpO2IyIDs0msczSDXfIoA&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_che4Aw&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=5LnxiDeefBK6yWzyV3RjzAlySd_UKQ-TBCW0-kAWTeg&s=47eMqLabospf0S1ybphebBnpO2IyIDs0msczSDXfIoA&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi folks.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there George!!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Michelle. How are you?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Very well, thank you so much</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Hello all. Beautiful afternoon in DC</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):second question: who is still waiting for visa :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Statton Hammock:@Phil. Breaking any temperature records today in DC?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I am still waiting for my visa.... nervously.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):me too</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Got my visa, and just got my Hepatitis-A and Typhoid shots and my malaria Rx. Yippee!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:86 in DC. May be a record. I just biked 10 miles ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> yuri chumak:greeting from Toronto</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul McGrady:Reboot. :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:82 in New York.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Welcome, Yuri. Go Blue Jays. :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Levy:Hi all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Tomorrow goes back to fall -- rain and the 60s.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> yuri chumak:thanks George :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Reg Levy - MMX:I'm good for now, thanks.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Reg Levy - MMX:Sorry, NO idea why my hand was up.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Tait:They're free</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Working Group wiki page for TM-PDDRP materials and responses: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ugqsAw&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=5LnxiDeefBK6yWzyV3RjzAlySd_UKQ-TBCW0-kAWTeg&s=WEiMGqBuiO8CDKXhe5KSM35TNym6uDfr66XyxIFpudk&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_ugqsAw&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=5LnxiDeefBK6yWzyV3RjzAlySd_UKQ-TBCW0-kAWTeg&s=WEiMGqBuiO8CDKXhe5KSM35TNym6uDfr66XyxIFpudk&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:I am so confused again. We are talking about mediation again for which 11 of the 16 responses said there were no activities that would have given rise to any claims under the pddrp?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:Sorry I'm late</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:I would only consider the survey as having 12 "outside" responses, given 4 of the 16 came from members of this PDP.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Elizabeth Featherman:Sorry I am late.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Jeff, it's not been agreed what topics will be further discussed - we're just going through the survey responses now, and the Provider responses at the next meeting in Hyderabad.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):percentage for such low numbers are meaningless</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:+1 Maxim</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and misleading</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:@Mary - I thought Kathy just said that were going to spend time in Hyderabad talking about mediation</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:These graphs and percentages are automatically compiled by Survey Monkey - so for our purposes it may be more informative to look at the raw numbers.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:The raw answers to the survey, via the link Kathy emailed to the list, was more useful.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it is a good idea to leave only numbers </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Maxim, the numbers are included in the slides.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Agreed these percentages are meaningless with the low numbers</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@mary, percentage form wrong perceprion (you have to look through the slide)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:The full answers are at: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_RARPMRIAGPWG_Additional-2BDocuments-2Band-2BMaterials-2Bon-2Bthe-2BTM-2DPDDRP&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=5LnxiDeefBK6yWzyV3RjzAlySd_UKQ-TBCW0-kAWTeg&s=T9GHLlC-g54p7MHquzOcMqfOa4NrTC8_eyGm51KPlRM&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_display_RARPMRIAGPWG_Additional-2BDocuments-2Band-2BMaterials-2Bon-2Bthe-2BTM-2DPDDRP&d=DQIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=5LnxiDeefBK6yWzyV3RjzAlySd_UKQ-TBCW0-kAWTeg&s=T9GHLlC-g54p7MHquzOcMqfOa4NrTC8_eyGm51KPlRM&e=</a> (directly
below "Surveys") MIght need to add a .pdf file extension, to be able to read it properly.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Levy:Interesting that one respondent's clients prefer to give up!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Did anyone say they would have used it if there was mediation :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:This is the key question</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:IT gets to the point of the survey.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Q7</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Brian Cimbolic:absolutely - question 7 is the threshold question</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:"perception of bias based on experiences" --- strange, given no one has ever experienced a PDDRP :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):more usefull representation would be __name of the constituency __number </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:One person who answered no to Q7, elected to complete the remaining questions, it looks like.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Levy:George, I'm not surprised that someone woudl have a "perception of bias" based on very little or no information. Quite typical in a variety of fields.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul McGrady:A low turn out is its own statistic.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Brian Cimbolic:+1 Paul</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:The purpose of the survey was to try to identify anecdotes or issues that could direct the group to problems that need solving.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Q7 only asks whether, at this time, the respondent has yet seen any activity that could be challenged under the PDDRP. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Statement that burden of proof is impossible seems hyperbole. Yes it's high, but not that high. I suspect bigger issue is uncertainty of what will result even if burden is met.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:There is also the Google Doc that a few WG members filled out with anecdotal evidence of perceived registry conduct that they felt might fall under the TM-PDDRP.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:The Google Doc is available on the same WG wiki page (see above for link).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Levy:+1 Phil. Uncertainty around possible results is understandable given the lack of any history witih the policy and the fact that ICANN is not bound to accept the recommendation of the panel.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):the last question should be - did you understand the set of questions?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I think the numbers indicate there is not an outpouring of animosity toward the TM-PDDRP - probably indicative of the lack of an identifiable problem.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Which is one of the questions we had....is there an identifiable problem?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Kristine, yes, that seems to be borne out also by the responses to the 2015 RPM Paper.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:100% agree with Greg. Garbage in, garbage out.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Please recall that the WG discussed and approved these questions.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Levy:@ Kristine, I agree that it's tough to determine if there is an identifiable problem with a policy that has not yet been used and is very poorly understood by most brad owners.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):It might be a good idea to discuss the representation next time </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:ICANN paid a company to do the new gTLDs consumer awareness (albeit, it was an internet poll that was pretty bad too).</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Lots of awareness of new gTLDs that didn't exist. :-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Here's the email from Mary, re: that unused GNSO procedure for a better survey: <a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2016-October/000727.html">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2016-October/000727.html</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jon Nevett (Donuts):I don't support more surveying on PDDRP for the reasons Kathy is mentioning -- we would just be wasting our time</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I am not necessarily saying this should be the candidate for an "expert" survey effort....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Agree with Greg. I think there is a difference between the WG trying to get information and the wording of a valid survey designed to obtain that information. In my
opinion, as a WG we did the former. We need an expert to do the latter. I don't necessarily think we need to go back here. But definitely support obtaining resources on any surveys going forward.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Maher:@Jo n +1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Jon +1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:It is not a "general interest" topic, but there may be ways to get more answers from the population who gives a darn...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Not that I'm suggesting it, but this is probably a better candidate for a "focus group" rather than a "survey"....</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Levy:Lack of awareness may be due to lack of serious problems addressed by the PDDRP. If folks were expreiencing such problems, they would research the matter and, I presume, find the PDDRP.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Really, the survey should not even mention the PDDRP -- it should really have been a survey expanding on Question #7. I'm confident 99% of people have never heard of the PDDRP, or any of the myriad
acronyms in the ICANN ecosystem.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Reg Levy - MMX:I think Petter has the right idea if we think we really need this information.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:i.e. is there a problem that the PDDRP properly solves.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Whether they saw the harm or not does not tell us anything about what they think of the remedy.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Rebecca Tushnet:+1 to Brian's: no need to add more non-information about non-use</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Steve Levy:+1 Brian</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David Maher:@ Brian +1</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it is quite hard to resolve future unknown problem :(</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul McGrady:I think the big take away from this survey is that we need to improve our future surveys. I don't think it tells us much else about the substantive topic.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jon Nevett (Donuts):I support keeping the RPM -- it does serve a purpose, but there is no evidence that it requires a change. If there ever is a change required, we could go through a PDP at that time.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul McGrady:@Jon - agree. The RPM itself may be keeping abuses at bay. </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:After you, Mary.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul McGrady:@Greg - agree. The survey doesn't provide those sorts of answers.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Payne:@Greg - agree. There are RPMs which are being used and we should prioritise those</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Slides are unsync'ed</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:To Susan, Paul and Greg's point, in a way perhaps it's unfortunate that TMPDDRP came early in the review</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Sorry....mediation?????</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Everyone can scroll through the slides.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:Agree with Heather, we may want to loop back on this down the road...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Why are we again looking at mediation? Sorry....missed that</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Greg Shatan:I think we should look at meditation. Very calming.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:I think looping back could be useful, and we will undoubtedly learn some lessons as we progress that could be useful on revisitation</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jeff Neuman:Where are those responses?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:@Heather & Greg -- Something had to come first. But no RPM is locked in stone, and any can be revisited, inckuding PDDRP, until we deliver the WG report.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:I'm not complaining as such, Phil - we're here now and rather than stress about why/how, let's think about how to move forward</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Bye folks.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Philip Corwin:Bye all. Safe travel to India!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jon Nevett (Donuts):Thanks!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Robin Gross:thanks, Kathy and all, bye!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Paul Tattersfield:thanks all bye</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:Thanks everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Susan Kawaguchi:Thanks Everyone</div>
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