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On Dec 7, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Thomas Brackey <<a href="mailto:tom@bmail.build">tom@bmail.build</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Question 10 is conceptually backwards. A "generic term" (in the common, not legal sense of the word) is absolutely protectable as a trademark and can serve as an indicator of source for an extremely
wide range of goods and services. In each of those uses, the term is not a "generic term" in the trademark sense. The term is only a "generic term" when it is applied to the goods or services for which it serves as the common name. So "clock" (to use Ed's
example) is not a "generic term" in the trademark sense if it is used as a trademark for restaurants or tires or trombones. These would be called "arbitrary marks" in the legal sense of the word. "Clock" would only be generic (and thus not protectable) in
the narrow instance where it is used to refer to timepieces not worn or carried on the person (which are referred to as watches, not clocks). </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thus, when a word is used in a trademark, it is not a "generic term." There is no such thing as a "generic term" protected "within a trademark." If the term is protected, it's not a "generic
term" within the trademark. When a "generic term" appears within a trademark, the term is not protected; rather, it is disclaimed. If I seek to register "clock trombones" as a trademark for trombones, I won't be able to protect the generic term "trombones,"
but I will be able to protect the arbitrary term "clock."</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As such, the question is basically mumbo-jumbo from a legal perspective. I suppose the phrase "generic term" is being use to soft-pedal the actual intent of the statement, which is to put forth
the possibility that all trademarks, except "coined" (a/k/a "fanciful") marks, would be magically excluded from the Trademark Clearinghouse. At that point, it would be silly to call it the Trademark Clearinghouse -- perhaps it be called the "Only Trademarks
That Are Made-Up Words Clearinghouse" or OTMTAMUWCH -- since the vast majority of trademarks would suddenly be invalidated for TMCH purposes.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Of course, this whole discussion about scope of protection ignores a whole slew of concepts that go into a likelihood of confusion analysis. First, and most importantly, trademark protection
against infringement is not limited to exact matches -- it encompasses marks that are similar in sight, sound or meaning. This aspect of trademark protectability is not recognized by the TMCH or the processes that flow from it, except for the narrow "TM+50"
exception, which does not come anywhere near matching this contour of trademark protection. Question 12 also goes partway in this regard when it refers to expanding TMCH matching rules to include "plurals, ‘marks contained’ or ‘mark+keyword’, and/or common
typos"; but again, this does not go nearly far enough, since it does not include most "similar" uses. Perhaps Q12 should be expanded to include all "similar" terms, in addition to the narrow types already mentioned there.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Also, bad faith is not a requirement for an infringement to be found (although "good faith" may be one of a series of factors to be weighed, on a case by case basis, in a likelihood of confusion
analysis). This may not be relevant to discussion of TMCH eligibility in and of itself, but it will be relevant in the URS context, among others. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The question also mischaracterizes the scope of goods and services in which a trademarked term is protected -- it is not limited to the "categories of goods and services" in the trademark registration.
Generally speaking, a trademark is protected in the same or related fields of use, including natural zones of expansion (and for uses of the same or similar marks -- not only exact matches). The determination of what is "related" is case-specific, and depends
on both the mark and the goods and services. Thus, the question overstates the limitation is legally deficient in this instance as well, even if one believes that the underlying proposition is a valid one.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Getting back to the issue that started this thread -- using "generic term" to refer to a "protected term" in the question is, well, out of the question.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Edward Morris <span dir="ltr" class="">
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">Thanks for your contribution.</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">If we were talking about the process of how a trade marked word becomes generic, genericide if you will, or, for example, in
Europe application of article 20 of the new Trademark Directive (Directive (EU) 2015 /2436), I would agree completely with you that a complicated legal analysis is called for. That simply is not the case here.</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">There is nothing mysterious or confusing about the definition of a generic word – every schoolchild knows the nouns they use
every day such as truck, car, desk, book. The US Trademark Office even defines generic terms as what the
<strong class="">public </strong>(not what a trade mark examiner or solicitor) understands them to be:</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class=""> US Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO) Glossary</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">generic term:</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">“terms that the relevant purchasing public understands primarily as the common or class name for the goods or services."</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><font face="lucida sans unicode, lucida grande, sans-serif" class="">These terms are simply incapable of functioning as trade marks denoting source in any jurisdiction I am aware of, and are not even registrable, for example, in the United States
on the Principal Register under §2(f) or on the Supplemental Register. Illustrative examples include: CLASSES ONLINE for classes provided via the Internet,
<a href="http://pizza.com/" target="_blank" class="">PIZZA.COM</a> for pizza ordering and delivery services, and LIVE PLANTS for plant nurseries.”
</font><a href="https://www.uspto.gov/learning-and-resources/glossary#sec-g" style="font-family:'lucida sans unicode','lucida grande',sans-serif;font-size:14px" target="_blank" class="">https://www.uspto.gov/learning<wbr class="">-and-resources/glossary#sec-g</a></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">The INTA teaches the same “common knowledge” approach as the USPTO:</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">“Generic words can be thought of as the
<em class="">common name of the problem or service in question – for example, “clock” is a generic word for timepieces.”
</em> Because these are the <em class="">common names of goods and services, </em>
the first rule of trade mark law is that “[s]uch words can never be appropriated by a single party as a trademark for the products and services they signify” ((from the INTA publication quoted below in the e-mail that started this thread).</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">The question our working group has been asked in its Charter is whether the TMCH Database and RPM Mechanisms are protecting a
trade mark far beyond its category of goods and services. Are we perhaps creating processes that may remove the registration of domain names for generic words from domain name registrants? That seems a very valid question to ask with very important implications
for our work.</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">As Kathy Kleiman pointed out in her post to this group of September 29th, there may even be free expression aspects to this issue.
In responding to J. Scott’s raising of this issue she wrote:</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">“When basic words of political discourse such as FREEDOM (USPTO IC 028 Mounts and mounting devices adapted for use with suspended
physical fitness equipment. Reg No. 5042693), LIBERTY (USPTO IC 009 Hearing muffs, namely, sound amplifiers. Reg No. 4793635), and TRUST (USPTO IC 028. In-line skate liners. Reg No. 4301142) are used as trademarks, but also play an integral role in the fabric
of political dialogue, we have a Free Expression issue and concern before us.”</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">What happens if Registrants can’t register these words for the free expression uses to which they are most directly (and generically)
directed and applied to?</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">Throwing “generic” out of the question seems, well, rather out of the question. It is a basic and understood term and it would
be unfair to the group(s) that posed these questions, and to those of us on the GNSO Council who saw fit to send to these queries to this working group in the Charter itself, to exclude this line of inquiry. It seems to me that if we don’t want to inappropriately
expand trademark protection, as Luc has pointed out, we really need to include this question as we move forward.</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">John, I do recognize that the wording itself may not be perfect. Perhaps you could offer a rephrasing the keeps the powerful
and valid intent of the question with wording you might be more comfortable with.</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">Thanks for considering.</span></span></div>
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<div class=""><span style="font-family:lucida sans unicode,lucida grande,sans-serif" class=""><span style="font-size:14px" class="">Kind Regards,</span></span></div>
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<b class="">Sent</b>: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 2:51 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To</b>: "David Tait" <<a href="mailto:david.tait@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">david.tait@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject</b>: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">The point that Kiran is making is that words such as “generic” mean something. While it is possible to have a dictionary term as a domain name or
mark, it is not possible to have a domain name or mark that is generic, solely because it can be found in the dictionary. An extra step of analysis and investigation is required, which is likely outside the scope of this Working Group’s remit and capabilities
and outside the remit and capabilities of the TMCH.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Legally speaking, generic terms are words that the relevant purchasing public understands primarily as the common or class name for the goods or services.
Applying United States trademark law, determining whether a mark is generic requires the finder of fact to examine (1) the genus of the goods or services at issue; and (2) whether the relevant public understands the applicant's mark/designation
<u class="">primarily</u> to refer to that genus of services. <i class="">H. Marvin Ginn Corp. v. International Ass’n of Fire Chiefs, Inc.</i>, 782 F.2d 987, 228 U.S.P.Q. 528, 530 (Fed. Cir. 1986).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">So to determine whether a mark is considered "generic" there must be an initial analysis of whether the mark is a word that is a genus of a quality,
feature, function, or characteristic, but of what? In order to answer the rest of the question, we would be forced to look at the goods or services claimed in the registration or the content and/or stated mission and purpose of the domain name, to make a
determination of genericness. Complicating things, this analysis is not a bright line analysis and there are several nuances to the relatively straight-forward test set forth above. For instance, a word that has been used on a wide range of different types
of products or services that are not within the same species may be less likely to be considered generic.
<i class="">See 2 J. Thomas McCarthy, McCarthy on Trademarks and Unfair Competition</i> § 12:23 (4th ed. 2009). Moreover, a proper analysis requires an in-depth factual investigation of the relevant public's understanding of the alleged generic term.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">As we have discussed on our calls, it is important to be precise in our terminology and for the reasons set forth above, I think we should remove
the term “generic” from our discussions relating to the TMCH and dictionary terms. It would be a large (that may be an understatement) undertaking for this Working Group or the TMCH to make an accurate determination of whether a mark in the TMCH is generic
or whether a domain name registrant (with a mark in the TMCH) intends to use it in a manner that would be considered generic.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" class="">Thanks,</span></p>
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<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>David Tait<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 06, 2016 5:54 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">
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<b class="">Subject:</b> [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" class="">At Kathy Kleiman’s request, and to facilitate discussion of this, issue staff is circulating the email below to the full Working Group.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" class="">Kind regards,<br class="">
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</span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank" class="">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Date: </b>Sunday, 4 December 2016 at 19:40<br class="">
<b class="">To: </b>Kiran Malancharuvil <<a href="mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com" target="_blank" class="">Kiran.Malancharuvil@markmonit<wbr class="">or.com</a>>, David Tait <<a href="mailto:david.tait@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">david.tait@icann.org</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Cc: </b>Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">mary.wong@icann.org</a>>, Susan Payne <<a href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com" target="_blank" class="">susan.payne@valideus.com</a>>, Edward Morris <<a href="mailto:edward.morris@alumni.usc.edu" target="_blank" class="">edward.morris@alumni.usc.edu</a>><wbr class="">,
Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank" class="">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:Sarahliannec@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">Sarahliannec@gmail.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:Sarahliannec@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">Sarahliannec@gmail.com</a>>,
Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es" target="_blank" class="">paul@law.es</a>>, "<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com" target="_blank" class="">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com" target="_blank" class="">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>>, "Vaibhav Aggarwal, Group CEO & Founder" <<a href="mailto:va@bladebrains.com" target="_blank" class="">va@bladebrains.com</a>>, Sarah Clayton <<a href="mailto:Sarahliannec@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">Sarahliannec@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Subject: </b>Re: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016</span></p>
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<p class="">I don't think anyone understood why it was legally inappropriate, Kiran. You referenced a discussion that took place a long time ago, and after which there was considerable discussion and disagreement online. </p>
<p class="">One major reference for the definition of "generic words" used in this question is the International Trademark Association. It's Fact Sheet on Trademark Strength references generic words and instructs:</p>
<p class=""> => <strong class="">"Generic Words</strong>: A generic word or phrase is so inherently descriptive of a product or service or an entire class of products or services as to be incapable of ever functioning as a trademark. Generic words can
be thought of as the common name of the product or service in question—for example, “clock” is a generic word for timepieces. Such words can never be appropriated by a single party as trademarks for the products or services they signify, since the public perceives
and uses them solely as common nouns or terms. Generic words or phrases are not registrable or protectable in relation to the products or services they signify."
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.inta.org_TrademarkBasics_FactSheets_Pages_TrademarkStrengthFactSheet.aspx&d=DgMD-g&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=KScfcqapcv0bzf6fXXUcv9ZJuEfDd3nQD1q6n87CfSA&m=zOLVsOmd1IUv-5M_9bsSfzw8tV61pLQgKc9fMl-Vz2c&s=KwlcAsU7w69ItoPjM20ttgmU4Grr51Qb3RqKsrNZTpY&e=" target="_blank" class="">
http://www.inta.org/TrademarkB<wbr class="">asics/FactSheets/Pages/Tradema<wbr class="">rkStrengthFactSheet.aspx[inta.<wbr class="">org]</a></p>
<p class="">So the question of whether, through the TMCH Database or its associated Rights Protection Mechanisms, is granting protection to a trademark, which also happens to be a generic word (see INTA above), beyond its categories of goods and services is
a fair one.</p>
<p class="">Besides, there were numerous charter questions on this issue. We can't simply delete it. But if you would like to offer a clearer way to phrase the question, please do.</p>
<p class="">Best, Kathy</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 12/4/2016 12:54 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:</p>
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<pre class="">Hi David,</pre>
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<pre class="">I wasn't able to attend the call on Friday. Can you please explain why Question 10 was marked green for accepted with legally inappropriate terminology?</pre>
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<pre class="">Thanks,</pre>
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<pre class="">Kiran</pre>
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<pre class="">Kiran Malancharuvil</pre>
<pre class="">Policy Counselor</pre>
<pre class="">MarkMonitor</pre>
<pre class=""><a href="tel:(415)%20419-9138" value="+14154199138" target="_blank" class="">415-419-9138</a> (m)</pre>
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<pre class="">Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.</pre>
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<pre class="">On Dec 4, 2016, at 9:26 AM, David Tait <<a href="mailto:david.tait@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">david.tait@icann.org</a><a href="mailto:david.tait@icann.org" target="_blank" class=""><mailto:d<wbr class="">avid.tait@icann.org></a>> wrote:</pre>
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<pre class="">Dear All</pre>
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<pre class="">Following our call on Friday I am pleased to enclose the notes and outcomes from the meeting. Alongside these notes I attach an appropriately updated version of the TMCH Charter Questions document.</pre>
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<pre class="">The notes and outcomes are as follows:</pre>
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<pre class="">* Q10 - Should be marked green for accepted.</pre>
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<pre class="">* Q13 and 14- Proposal to merge Q13+14: "How accessible is the TMCH database and RPM Rights Protection Actions and Defenses to individuals, orgs, trademark owners and trademark agents in developing countries?"</pre>
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<pre class="">Proposal to keep question in but report findings to SubPro WG.</pre>
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<pre class="">* Q15- (now question 14 in latest draft) Revision agreed to "What concerns are being raised about the TMCH being closed, what are the reasons for having/keeping the TMCH Database private, and should the TMCH Database remain closed or become open?"</pre>
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<pre class="">* Q16- (now question 15 in latest draft) Proposal 1 "Does the present structuring of the TMCH optimize such operational considerations as cost, reliability, global reach, and service diversity and consistency, or should significant changes be considered?"</pre>
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<pre class="">Proposal 2 "What are the concerns with the TMCH Database being provided by a single Provider - and how might those concerns be addressed?"</pre>
<pre class="">Both proposals to go to the Working Group.</pre>
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<pre class="">Should there be regional service desks if not regional providers?</pre>
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<pre class="">* Q17- (now question 16 in latest draft) Agreed revision: "Are the costs and benefits of the TMCH, for rights holders, for ICANN, for the community, proportionate?"</pre>
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<pre class="">I would also note that further to Mary Wong's email of 1 December 2016 we will now proceed to circulate this updated document to the full Working Group in advance of the next Working Group call on Wednesday. Additionally, we will note that the Sub-Team is expressly seeking the input of the full Working Group on the alternative formulations of Question 16 (this being the only outstanding question not agreed by the Sub-Team).</pre>
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<pre class="">Kind regards,</pre>
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<pre class="">David</pre>
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<pre class="">David A. Tait</pre>
<pre class="">Policy Specialist (Solicitor qualified in Scotland, non-practicing)</pre>
<pre class="">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)</pre>
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<pre class="">Mobile: <a href="tel:+44%207864%20793776" value="+447864793776" target="_blank" class="">+ 44-7864-793776</a></pre>
<pre class="">Email: <a href="mailto:david.tait@icann.org" target="_blank" class="">david.tait@icann.org</a><a href="mailto:david.tait@icann.org" target="_blank" class=""><mailto:da<wbr class="">vid.tait@icann.org></a></pre>
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<pre class=""><Tabulated Categories - TMCH Questions 2 Dec 2016.docx></pre>
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