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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="tab-interval:36.0pt" class=""><div class="WordSection1"><div class="MsoPlainText">I’ve spent the afternoon back reading the threads here and I have to hold my hands up and admit I’m confused. We all know that ICANN isn’t a legislative body, and we all know that it can’t (and I very much doubt it would want to!) make law. Various laws in the various jurisdictions around the world include various TM laws, which in turn include rules and practises for how and why TMs are granted. That’s what the TMCH is - a repository of TMs that have been legally granted. No?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">And unless and until a TM lapses, or is cancelled, it’s as much a legal property right as any other. It can’t be OK for an independent administrative repository of TMs to decide to ignore some legal property rights, surely? If the TMCH were just a private list with no function then we’d be on different ground, but given that it’s the gatekeeper for accessing certain RPMs I can’t see under what basis this administrative repository could be allowed to choose which property rights are allowed through the gate and which aren’t. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">I’m sorry if this is naïve, but I honestly don’t understand how the TMCH can be the court of appeal for the legality of TM rights. Isn’t that why we have actual courts? And holding it out to be some form of appeal body is surely only going to confuse non-TM people, like most registrants, as to its “powers”.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Following that, and John’s questions, what are we trying to do? Limit any DN containing a TM to uses that the TM has in the offline world? But not limiting any other word to uses it may have offline? So isn’t that actually discriminating against words that are in TMs against words that aren’t - dictionary, arbitrary, proper or just plain made up? What are we actually trying to do?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">I’m sorry for the TLDR post and sorry also for my confusion. 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Scott Evans; Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon; Beckham, Brian; George Kirikos; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016</span></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Phil,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Thanks for this.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>I'm just seeking some clarification:<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>Does this question seek whether the TMCH should be limited in its application to Trademark Claims Notices and Sunrise Processes in which the domain name being registered is going to be used in a manner that relates to the goods and services contained in the registration, if the registration consists of a word found in a dictionary?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Kind regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">John<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 8:58 AM<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">To: J. Scott Evans; Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon; Beckham, Brian; George Kirikos; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Good day to all. I have been tied up this morning on the call of the WS2 Jurisdiction subgroup.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">The proposed compromise language agreed upon by the co-chairs and suggested for your consideration as a path forward so we can get the questions out and get on to the work of reviewing and understanding the answers is as follows:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>Should the scope of the TMCH be limited to apply only to the categories of goods and services in which the dictionary term(s) within a<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>trademark are protected? If so, how?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>In responding to this question, you should note that the original submitters of the related<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>charter questions seem to be been particularly concerned about "generic terms" representing the common or class name for the<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>goods and services.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">We hope this proposed formulation will prove acceptable to members of this WG. Thanks for your consideration.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Best to all, Philip<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Virtualaw LLC<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">1155 F Street, NW<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Suite 1050<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Washington, DC 20004<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">202-559-8597/Direct<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">202-559-8750/Fax<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">202-255-6172/Cell<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Twitter: @VlawDC<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of J. Scott Evans<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 7:24 AM<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">To: Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon; Beckham, Brian; George Kirikos; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Importance: High<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Phil?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">J. Scott Evans | Associate General Counsel - Trademarks, Copyright, Domains & Marketing | Adobe<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">345 Park Avenue<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">San Jose, CA 95110<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">408.536.5336 (tel), 408.709.6162 (cell)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><a href="http://www.adobe.com/" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">www.adobe.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">On 12/13/16, 4:18 AM, "Paul Keating" <<a href="mailto:Paul@law.es" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">Paul@law.es</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>Please circulate it prior to the call.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>On 12/13/16, 1:10 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <<a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>The Co-Chairs have a proposed compromise revision drafted by Phil that <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>we will propose to the group.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>J. Scott<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>J. Scott Evans | Associate General Counsel - Trademarks, Copyright, <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>Domains & Marketing | Adobe<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>345 Park Avenue<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>San Jose, CA 95110<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>408.536.5336 (tel), 408.709.6162 (cell) <a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</span></a> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><a href="http://www.adobe.com/" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">www.adobe.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>On 12/13/16, 4:06 AM, "Paul Keating" <<a href="mailto:Paul@law.es" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">Paul@law.es</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>Good suggestion J. Scott.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>Can we live with the question as follows?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>Should the scope of the TMCH be limited in its application to <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>trademarks containing dictionary terms which are generic or <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>descriptive?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>If so how?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>Paul<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>On 12/13/16, 12:51 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <<a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>Again, and at the risk of repeating myself. And, as Brian Beckham <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>pointed out this morning, there are quite a few of us in the ICANN <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>community and on the list that understand the nuances of generic, <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>descriptive, arbitrary and fanciful marks as land out in Abercrombie <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>by Learned Hand oh so long ago. However, in the bigger picture <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>policy debate most stakeholders do not understand. They believe that <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>a term is "generic" if it is a WORD with a meaning and are quite <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>frustrated when they find that they cannot own <a href="http://ACETOOLS.COM" class="">ACETOOLS.COM</a> for <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>their site that is for really cool tools. This misunderstanding is <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>then conflated in the policy debate and causes all kinds of <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>confusion and misunderstanding. Hence, I believe the better term is <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>"dictionary term" which under the Abercrombie factors can be either <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>generic, descriptive or arbitrary depending on the circumstances.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>J. Scott<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>J. Scott Evans | Associate General Counsel - Trademarks, Copyright, <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>Domains & Marketing | Adobe<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>345 Park Avenue<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>San Jose, CA 95110<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>408.536.5336 (tel), 408.709.6162 (cell) <a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</span></a> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><a href="http://www.adobe.com/" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">www.adobe.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>On 12/13/16, 3:44 AM, "Paul Keating" <<a href="mailto:Paul@law.es" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">Paul@law.es</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Jonathan,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Not to be nit-picky but your definition is incorrect.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Generic:<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>Relating to or characteristic of a whole group or class; <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>general, as opposed to specific or special.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>(Black's Law <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Dictionary)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>A 'generic term" is one which is commonly used as the name or <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>description of a kind of goods and it is generally accepted that a <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>generic term is incapable of achieving trade name protection.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>For <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>example, any single seller can not have trademark rights in <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>"television" or "oven." When a seller is given exclusive rights to <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>call something by its recognized name, it would amount to a <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>practical monopoly on selling that type of product.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Even established trademarks can lose their protection if they are <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>used generically. For example (in U.S.), thermos and aspirin.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>A descriptive term (which many people refer to as a "dictionary <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>term") is merely that - a term used in its descriptive sense (e.g. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>"Redbarn" is descriptive for selling red barns but not for hotels).<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Treatment in differing jurisdictions complicates matters.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>For <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>example, the term "donut" is a trademark in Spain for donuts.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>It <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>was obtained way back when when the registrant saw donuts during a <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>visit to the US, returned to Spain and began producing them and <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>registered the trademark.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Thus, the term has nothing to do with consumer perception of source.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Moreover, most generic terms are by definition "in the dictionary".<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>The problem I encounter most with generic/descriptive terms are in <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>the context of figurative marks.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>Although the USPTO is getting <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>better at requiring disclaimers, they were not so diligent in the <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>future.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>In my experience, most other jurisdictions do not <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>rigorously impose disclaimer obligations.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Another source of constant frustration is with Section 2(f).<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Again, while the USPTO appears to becoming more diligent they were <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>simply horrible in the past.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>Other jurisdictions do not have a <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>similar provision and, for example, France, has a terrible <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>reputation for registering even the most descriptive (and even <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>generic) terms.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>I think the question regarding generic marks in the TMCH has merit <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>and should be discussed and this thread is but one example of why.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Again, whether we reach conclusions as to the question is a <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>different issue for a different day.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>Paul Keating<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>On 12/13/16, 12:12 PM, "Jonathan Agmon" <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</span></a>><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>All,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Just to contribute another angle and perhaps a helpful example.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>I think that dictionary words and generic terms are two different <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>species. A dictionary word is a word that is defined in the <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>dictionary.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>For example the word "apple" is defined as "a fruit (as a star <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>apple) or other vegetative growth". A generic term is a legal <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>standard in trademark law denoting a mark whose source cannot be <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>identified by consumers.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>And<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>if consumers think that a single source exists for that term then <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>by law the term is not generic. Therefore, in this example, APPLE, <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>a dictionary word by all accounts, may be a dictionary word for <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>fruit, is not a generic term and will in all likelihood be <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>considered a strong trademark for computers.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>This is just one example and you should consider that the term <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>"generic"<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>as a term of art in trademark law. It has nothing to do with <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>dictionary words. Moreover, some dictionary words can be weak <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>trademarks at one time and strong trademarks at another time.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>You can consider for example the marks NYLON or XEROX. You can <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>find both of them in the dictionary. The term NYLON was an <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>invented mark, invented in 1935 by DuPont. It arguably became <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>generic (from a trademark<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>perspective) when consumers all started referring to synthetic <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>polymers from every manufacture (not just DuPont) as Nylon.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>XEROX <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>invented a photocopying machine. The term came close to turning <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>generic when in the eighties consumers used the verb "Xeroxing" <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>instead of "photocopying".<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Xeorx, the company changed that and today by all accounts the mark <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>XEROX is not generic but rather a trademark for photocopying <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>machines.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Taking the above into account ,the policies below state "generic <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>or descriptive" not generic or dictionary words. The term <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>descriptive is another term of art in trademark law, which refers <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>to a trademark that describes the goods it is applied to. The <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>examples of "toy, shop, cleaner, lawyer..." are only descriptive <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>for the relevant goods or services they are attached to. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Non-lawyers would immediately associate these terms with their <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>respective meaning.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>But, these terms can serve as trademarks too. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>It all depends on the circumstances and consumer perception. One <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>last example would be the use of TOY on a yogurt product.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Check out the attachment - the term JOY is applied to a yogurt <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>product.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>While the term JOY can be descriptive of a feeling, it is not <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>descriptive for yogurt products. So long as consumers don't call <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>any yogurt product JOY, then it is also not generic.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>I hope this helps.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Jonathan Agmon(???)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Advocate, PARTNER<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><a href="http://www.ip-law.legal/" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">www.ip-law.legal</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Soroker Agmon Nordman Pte Ltd.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>133 New Bridge Road, #13-02, 059413 SINGAPORE<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>8 Hahoshlim Street, 4672408 Herzliya, ISRAEL T SG +65 6532 2577 T <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>US +1 212 999 6180 T IL +972 9 950 7000 F IL +972 9 950 5500<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>This message is confidential. It may also be privileged or <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>otherwise protected by work product immunity or other legal rules. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>If you have received it by mistake, please let us know by e-mail <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>reply and delete it from your system; you may not copy this <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>message or disclose its contents to anyone. Please send us by fax <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>any message containing deadlines as incoming e-mails are not <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>screened for response deadlines. The integrity and security of <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet.-----Original <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Message-----<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Beckham, Brian<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 5:42 PM<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>To: Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:Paul@law.es" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">Paul@law.es</span></a>>; J. Scott Evans <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><<a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</span></a>>; George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">icann@leap.com</span></a>>; <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Paul, all,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>A timely post on CircleID speaks to (intentional) confusion on the <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>"generic"/dictionary dichotomy:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20161212_appearing_respondents_calle" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">http://www.circleid.com/posts/20161212_appearing_respondents_calle</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>d_o<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>u<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>t<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>_<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>a<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>s<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>_cybersquatters/<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>In that post, Mr. Levine notes:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>"There's continuing confusion among domain buyers (not likely to <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>be professional investors) that dictionary words are 'generic' <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>therefore available to the first to register them. That's not the case at all.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>There are numerous trademarks composed of common words; weak <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>perhaps, and vulnerable when combined with other common words but <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>nevertheless protectable with sufficient proof of bad faith."<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Brian<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>-----Original Message-----<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Paul Keating<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 10:24 PM<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>To: J. Scott Evans; George Kirikos; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>But it does show that it is not so much rocket science.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>On 12/12/16, 10:11 PM, "J. Scott Evans"<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>on<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>behalf of <a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>That don¹t make it right.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>J. Scott Evans | Associate General Counsel - Trademarks, <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>Copyright, Domains & Marketing | Adobe<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>345 Park Avenue<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>San Jose, CA 95110<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>408.536.5336 (tel), 408.709.6162 (cell) <a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</span></a> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><a href="http://www.adobe.com/" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">www.adobe.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>On 12/12/16, 10:04 AM, "<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>of George Kirikos" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> on behalf of <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">icann@leap.com</span></a>><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>FYI, re: "generic", both the .uk and the .nz dispute policies <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>reference "generic" domain names, see:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>.uk:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>><a href="http://nominet-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">http://nominet-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>Fin<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>a<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>l<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>-<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>pro<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>p<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>osed-DRS-Policy.pdf<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>"8.1.2 The Domain Name is generic or descriptive and the <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>Respondent is making fair use of it;"<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>.nz: <a href="https://www.dnc.org.nz/resource-library/policies/65" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">https://www.dnc.org.nz/resource-library/policies/65</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>"Generic Term means a word or phrase that is a common name in <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>general public use for a product, service, profession, place or <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>>>>>>>thing. 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