<html><head></head><body>This is partially what Inhave stated always. We need to look at TMCH from a utility perspective not a regulator's perspective. <div><br></div><div>TMCH is a facilitator not a ultimate regulator. There will b intra-geography dynamics involved and the scope of this WG has to be focused as per the charter. <br> <br><div class="bloop_sign"><div>-- <br>Vaibhav Aggarwal</div></div> <p class="gmail_quote" style="color:#000;">On December 19, 2016 at 5:38:39 AM, Reg Levy (<a href="mailto:reg@mmx.co">reg@mmx.co</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote"><span><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div></div><div>I agree. Limiting domain names that match trademarks to only their uses in the offline world (no apple.food) also would violate the stated purpose of the New gTLD Program—to promote competition and consumer choice. If the TMCH is just going to create a carbon copy of .com in every TLD, we’ve all wasted a number of years.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">/R<br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 13 Dec 2016, at 07:34, Marie Pattullo <<a href="mailto:marie.pattullo@aim.be" class="">marie.pattullo@aim.be</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="purple" style="tab-interval:36.0pt" class=""><div class="WordSection1"><div class="MsoPlainText">I’ve spent the afternoon back reading the threads here and I have to hold my hands up and admit I’m confused. We all know that ICANN isn’t a legislative body, and we all know that it can’t (and I very much doubt it would want to!) make law. Various laws in the various jurisdictions around the world include various TM laws, which in turn include rules and practises for how and why TMs are granted. That’s what the TMCH is - a repository of TMs that have been legally granted. No?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">And unless and until a TM lapses, or is cancelled, it’s as much a legal property right as any other. It can’t be OK for an independent administrative repository of TMs to decide to ignore some legal property rights, surely? If the TMCH were just a private list with no function then we’d be on different ground, but given that it’s the gatekeeper for accessing certain RPMs I can’t see under what basis this administrative repository could be allowed to choose which property rights are allowed through the gate and which aren’t. <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">I’m sorry if this is naïve, but I honestly don’t understand how the TMCH can be the court of appeal for the legality of TM rights. Isn’t that why we have actual courts? And holding it out to be some form of appeal body is surely only going to confuse non-TM people, like most registrants, as to its “powers”.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Following that, and John’s questions, what are we trying to do? Limit any DN containing a TM to uses that the TM has in the offline world? But not limiting any other word to uses it may have offline? So isn’t that actually discriminating against words that are in TMs against words that aren’t - dictionary, arbitrary, proper or just plain made up? What are we actually trying to do?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">I’m sorry for the TLDR post and sorry also for my confusion. 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Scott Evans; Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon; Beckham, Brian; George Kirikos; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016</span></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Phil,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Thanks for this.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>I'm just seeking some clarification:<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>Does this question seek whether the TMCH should be limited in its application to Trademark Claims Notices and Sunrise Processes in which the domain name being registered is going to be used in a manner that relates to the goods and services contained in the registration, if the registration consists of a word found in a dictionary?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Kind regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">John<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of Phil Corwin<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 8:58 AM<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">To: J. Scott Evans; Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon; Beckham, Brian; George Kirikos; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Good day to all. I have been tied up this morning on the call of the WS2 Jurisdiction subgroup.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">The proposed compromise language agreed upon by the co-chairs and suggested for your consideration as a path forward so we can get the questions out and get on to the work of reviewing and understanding the answers is as follows:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>Should the scope of the TMCH be limited to apply only to the categories of goods and services in which the dictionary term(s) within a<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>trademark are protected? If so, how?<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>In responding to this question, you should note that the original submitters of the related<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>charter questions seem to be been particularly concerned about "generic terms" representing the common or class name for the<span style="mso-spacerun:yes" class=""> </span>goods and services.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">We hope this proposed formulation will prove acceptable to members of this WG. Thanks for your consideration.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Best to all, Philip<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Virtualaw LLC<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">1155 F Street, NW<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Suite 1050<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Washington, DC 20004<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">202-559-8597/Direct<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">202-559-8750/Fax<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">202-255-6172/Cell<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Twitter: @VlawDC<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of J. Scott Evans<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2016 7:24 AM<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">To: Paul Keating; Jonathan Agmon; Beckham, Brian; George Kirikos; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] FW: Updated TMCH Charter Questions tabulated categories document - 2 December 2016<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Importance: High<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">Phil?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">J. Scott Evans | Associate General Counsel - Trademarks, Copyright, Domains & Marketing | Adobe<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">345 Park Avenue<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">San Jose, CA 95110<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">408.536.5336 (tel), 408.709.6162 (cell)<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><a href="http://www.adobe.com/" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">www.adobe.com</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">On 12/13/16, 4:18 AM, "Paul Keating" <<a href="mailto:Paul@law.es" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">Paul@law.es</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>Please circulate it prior to the call.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>On 12/13/16, 1:10 PM, "J. Scott Evans" <<a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none;text-underline:none" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>The Co-Chairs have a proposed compromise revision drafted by Phil that <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>we will propose to the group.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class="MsoPlainText">>>J. Scott<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div clas="" <="" body="">
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