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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group call held on
Wednesday, 25 January 2017 at 04:00 UTC. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page:<o:p></o:p></span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/L53DAw" style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">https://community.icann.org/x/L53DAw</a></p>
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<b><u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Adobe Connect chat transcript for 25 January 2017:</span></u></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDS PDP Working Group call on Wednesday, 25 January 2017 at 04:00 UTC.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_L53DAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wMNkizUmvwMUK9ngTrCmMoSkKeQU01zep_PgVz8I2vI&s=uGB46M06d__E1gskG6xIunjmOI2PhSou3aj7Yg9qDhQ&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_L53DAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wMNkizUmvwMUK9ngTrCmMoSkKeQU01zep_PgVz8I2vI&s=uGB46M06d__E1gskG6xIunjmOI2PhSou3aj7Yg9qDhQ&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi everyone.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michelle DeSmyter:Hello George!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Michelle.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:brb</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Petter Rindforth:God Morning!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Hello Laurie, Petter, George!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Geeetings all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:hola</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Hi Mary and Vaibhav.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Hi Vaibhav, Justine, Grace, J Scott and all!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> GraceM:Hi Mary. Hi everyone! </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Greetings Mary</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David McAuley (RySG):Hi Mary</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):7am for me</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jonathan Agmon:Hello all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David McAuley (RySG):is sound muffled for anyone else?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:The follow up questions are also captured on the slides</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:On Q2, note that the follow up question from last week's call was, WHO should the TMCH (if it is the TMCH) be educating besides rights-holders?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 for education from ICANN (after all .. there are exceed funds from new gTLD program)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Maxim, what to do with the auction proceeds from the 2012 New gTLD Program is the subject of a new Cross Community Working Group so it's not known at this time how those funds will be used.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Jonathan Agmon:Would imposing educational duties on the TMCH mean an increase of their fees?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty Kleiman:@Jonathan: Since it would not require any additional "learning effort" on the part of the TMCH (they're already the experts), having additional educational materials available on their website shoulld
not be much additional cost.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael Flemming:I am all for the TMCH to educate rights holders, domain name registrants and potential registrants, but haven't they already been doing that? I worked with staff from the TMCH in order to help educate
rights holders 3/4 years ago when this all started. We are in agreement that there is incentive opportunity, but there is a large cost associated with educating people. It has to be done in the right and correct way. Unless you communicate the need for the
TMCH to rights holders, then none of them will buy into it. The initial impression of the TMCH that rights holders have is that new gTLDs and TMCH is too troublesome and it is easier to just not be associated with. I think we need to look at this as a community
perspective, as well.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:We save the chats, but encourage everyone to speak up so your remarks are captured in the recording and meeting transcript.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Jonathan Excellent Q. It will become an entry barrier for main nTLDs</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:especially for Not-for-profitorgs</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@JSoctt Coomunity effortss</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Vaibhav, what do you mean by community efforts?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I don't oppose having the TMCH post official training materials on their site, once ICANN creates it. But the TMCH just has no way to tell the customers of any particular
registry or registrar what their experience will be.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Petter Rindforth:ICANN: Education, TMCH: Basic information</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think community does not have capacity or funds for education</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Mary - Wile TMCH takes the lead, but the Registries shuld have equal participation</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Perfect Heather</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Vaibhav, how do you mandate that? Or do you leave it to registries (and maybe registrars) to decide to do it?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:ICANN/TMCH together can provide materials that the registrars convey to customers, in a hybrid. But, ultimately it's the registrars who deal with registrants.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Registrars have contact with the Registrants who use TMCH, and Registries do not</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Yes, the TMCH should educate on how to use their system. But the registrants do not use the TMCH, they experience "side effects."</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Maxim @Mary If Registries chage a premium on Domain names then they ming keep a couple of $s for education & awareness on the side</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:why all profit is to be Paid by the consumer ?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:+1Maxim and registries develop sunrise policies.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Maxim that is true for Claims, though not necessarily for Sunrise or Notice of Registered Name (NORN) after a registration matching a TMCH mark has taken place, right?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:& Registries act s agents of the educatinn for Registrants on behalf of Registries</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Vaibhav , TCMH is a product of new gTLD progam, and exceed funds are .. IMHO just unused for education (new gTLD awareness also)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@J Scott, ok</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Mary , please do not mix technical interaction of computers and human interaction with customers (education of omputer API level does not work)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*computer API</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty Kleiman:@Mary: I think Kristine's suggestion above is worth saving in our Notes. It's part of the Hybrid solution...</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty Kleiman:... suggested by Heather and others.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, sorry I missed it - can someone rephrase the Hybrid solution? </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty Kleiman:TMCH + ICANN</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:We are expecting feedback from the TMCH Providers</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Nothing yet received from any registrar</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Here was Greg Shatan's comment: <a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2017-January/000932.html">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2017-January/000932.html</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:We will recirculate the folllow up questions to Q1 & 2 to the list, plus notes from today</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty Kleiman:@Mary: as a note to the "hybrid," perhaps we could add Kristine's comment -- I don't oppose having the TMCH post official training materials on their site, once ICANN creates it. But the TMCH just
has no way to tell the customers of any particular registry or registrar what their experience will be.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Justine Chew:Q3 (a) --- <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_-3F&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wMNkizUmvwMUK9ngTrCmMoSkKeQU01zep_PgVz8I2vI&s=UsJeQz0r8Nhp7F0CjynH0BQ2_ki0wmh9T_p9tYx5w_I&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_-3F&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wMNkizUmvwMUK9ngTrCmMoSkKeQU01zep_PgVz8I2vI&s=UsJeQz0r8Nhp7F0CjynH0BQ2_ki0wmh9T_p9tYx5w_I&e=</a></div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael Flemming:Who are private parties?</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:We should seek anecdotal data for at least #2 as well.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):IBM is technical part and they might educate about technical side only (and most probably we talk about legal part of interation)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so it looks like we need to ask Deloitte..</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Note that one of the questions that the TMCH Data Gathering Sub Team sent to the TMCH Providers concerned the number of private contracts they had for using the TMCH</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Jscott You are away from the Mic please close up</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Npe </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael Flemming:Yes</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:lost volume</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Low volume, but I can hear you.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty Kleiman:I think that's right</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:I heard you, J Scott</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:yup</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David McAuley (RySG):better</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael Flemming:Loud and clear</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:(via the phone bridge)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I hear</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:The specific question asked of Deloitte and IBM was: "Can you tell us who is using the TMDB and under what circumstances (other than for providing the Sunrise and Claims Notice services required by ICANN)?
How many “blocking”-type services are you supporting (e.g. protected marks lists), and with/for whom? Are you aware of other services that may be provided by registry operators using the TMDB other than via contract with you?"</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):just took look at the Russian page of <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_ru&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wMNkizUmvwMUK9ngTrCmMoSkKeQU01zep_PgVz8I2vI&s=SZlF9bymSVo-zmd1uxHfq_aZHhoSZJm2RwhwcBw4Qho&e=">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_ru&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=wMNkizUmvwMUK9ngTrCmMoSkKeQU01zep_PgVz8I2vI&s=SZlF9bymSVo-zmd1uxHfq_aZHhoSZJm2RwhwcBw4Qho&e=</a> -
they should have used translators and not automated translation ...I hope the education is properly delivered not only in English </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael Flemming:Yes!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael Flemming:Thank you.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:We are expecting the TMCH Providers to provide us with their responses - I will follow up with my GDD colleagues to send a reminder</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael Flemming:I think the simple answer to this question is that information is available, but the quality of information is not very good. The best and fastest answer possible is to send it to the TMCH Providers.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Jscott : Y dont v get them here in the group and share their perspecctive</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@Vaibhav, I believe that this is something the co-chairs are open to, depending on the actual responses we get.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael Flemming:Because they're asleep :)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@MicF ha ha ha good one</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Lets wake them from the Yellow pages ;-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Marry Yes My Suggestion</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty Kleiman:I like that idea!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):we need to be sure that we have feedback from them</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Infact they could be a part of some Calls in order to Speed up the discussion on this</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Its like Interview 1 by 1 in order to set the perspective on the Qs right</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:@Maxim Correct</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:right</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Michael Flemming:Oh, I am pretty sure they will be there.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong::)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty Kleiman:It has been a long day!!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:@J Scott, yes, staff will do that </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos:Bye folks.</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> George Kirikos::-)</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:LOL</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all </div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:ha ha ha</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kathty Kleiman:Good morning; good night!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Mary Wong:Thanks everyone</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> David McAuley (RySG):Good bye all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Lillian Fosteris:Good night/good day!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Heather Forrest:Thanks J Scott and Mary!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Thanks everyone, thanks J Scott!</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Thanks Guys have a good One</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> GraceM:thank you all</div>
<div style="font-family: -webkit-standard;"> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:GNight</div>
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