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Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/TZ3DAw">https://community.icann.org/x/TZ3DAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:15.6pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>MP3:</span></b><span class=MsoHyperlink><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#111111;text-decoration:none'> <a href="https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-15feb17-en.mp3">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-15feb17-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:15.6pt'><span class=MsoHyperlink><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=MsoHyperlink><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;text-decoration:none'>Adobe Connect recording: </span></b></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="https://participate.icann.org/p7u5pinf5ur/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=35164ca55b0b43251de3126b2595278b4418e8a455ee85906e150b73fd5ffb72"><b><span style='color:black;background:white'>https://participate.icann.org/p7u5pinf5ur/</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='line-height:15.6pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Mailing list archives: </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/"><span style='background:white'>http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Wiki page: </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/wCWAAw">https://community.icann.org/x/wCWAAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Thank you.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Terri Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'> </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Adobe Connect chat transcript for 15 February 2017:</span></u></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Wednesday, 15 February 2017 at 17:00 UTC for 60 minutes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:wiki agenda page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_TZ3DAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=vqTRgN6S2C3TSZu5Wna2VK3sbsQ9p6WCaj4Exef7mGM&e">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_TZ3DAw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=vqTRgN6S2C3TSZu5Wna2VK3sbsQ9p6WCaj4Exef7mGM&e</a>= <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:Hi folks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:Hello George<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:Hi Mary and Terry, the rhyming duo. :-)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:Hi Gerald.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:@George, if Berry (Cobb) comes on, you'd have a staff trio :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:lol<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> jscottevans:Hello all. I am now on the line<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:Hi J. Scott!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:J. "Harry Potter Bad Boy" Scott Evans<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:NCPH Intersessional<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:Apparently RPMs was on the agenda today<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello All<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Steve Levy:Hi folks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Theo Geurts:'lo<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:everyone can scroll themselves<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do I get it right that having "T[banana icon][onion icon]H[bike icon]E" sign might have THE protected by TMCH, in case the same person orders 3 small toys 3d printed with the same graphical sequence and shipped to someone who paid (neighbour) via postal delivery? (so the proof of use in in place)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Griffin Barnett:Agree Mary -- there appears to be coinfusiion here regarding terminology. The TMCH guidelines uses teh term "device/image" marks as opposed to "design" marks I believe<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Griffin Barnett:Agree we should revert to them regarding their processes/rules and use of this aspect of the TMCH<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vinzenz Heussler:This is what they say on the website: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_content_what-2Dabout-2Ddeviceimage-2Dmarks&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=OOxSGLIsQzCTd88PRAwrOn3qYkYpgmhnhZhSzJeTaIs&e">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_content_what-2Dabout-2Ddeviceimage-2Dmarks&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=OOxSGLIsQzCTd88PRAwrOn3qYkYpgmhnhZhSzJeTaIs&e</a>= <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):could we request examples of accepted/rejected imaginary marks with description of what was wrong/right?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:So Disney would be able to register "CARS", for their design mark (associated with the film)? <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tsdr.uspto.gov_-23caseNumber-3D78538954-26caseType-3DSERIAL-5FNO-26searchType-3DstatusSearch&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=2AqdcITjdLi0h5qyh7GKDFllZ1S0JXkRW9m8ZeH-tBQ&e">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__tsdr.uspto.gov_-23caseNumber-3D78538954-26caseType-3DSERIAL-5FNO-26searchType-3DstatusSearch&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=2AqdcITjdLi0h5qyh7GKDFllZ1S0JXkRW9m8ZeH-tBQ&e</a>= <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Martin Silva:The GNSO already discussed this, and the board approved that design marks were not to be take as text.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Martin Silva:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_issues_sti_sti-2Dwt-2Drecommendations-2D11dec09-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=GxndmliaSo7rx9WDzj7mxpSuTYrosTmowjyJwzFXCYE&e= <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Martin Silva:4.1<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I hope nobody registers NIC in TMCH :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:Staff will follow up with Rebecca as well<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Martin Silva:Are we addressing direclty that? becaus it is part of the hard letter that is already there, is not a new debate.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so all nic.TLD to be protected from registries :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:CARS is an easy one.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:(see link above)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Martin Silva:Delloitte is not following this 4.1 <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_issues_sti_sti-2Dwt-2Drecommendations-2D11dec09-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=GxndmliaSo7rx9WDzj7mxpSuTYrosTmowjyJwzFXCYE&e">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_issues_sti_sti-2Dwt-2Drecommendations-2D11dec09-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=GxndmliaSo7rx9WDzj7mxpSuTYrosTmowjyJwzFXCYE&e</a>= <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:Sure.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:@Martin, it's not necessarily as a design mark per se, it's about how the TMCH accepts marks that have design elements<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Martin Silva:exaclty, and doesn't 4.1 resolves that doubt?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Agree with Susan.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:The question is about marks received by the TMCH, not allowed by a RO<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):a Registry had a right to start from the very begining to limit registrations to a region, for example .. not may so brave<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vinzenz Heussler:agree with Susan too<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Martin Silva:But why have a diferent criteria?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*not many registreis were so brave to limit registrations to a particular region<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I think we probably should have asked the question that resulted in this answer, but the answer here doesn't answer the question asked.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Martin Silva:there is no relevant differnece in thos cases<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mathieu Weill:Yes, Mary, Massimo made that suggestion and I support that<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Martin Silva:The GNSO Recommendations are absolutly valid for the TMCH discussion<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:@Mathieu, thank you<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mathieu Weill:There is a Comité Champagne<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Jon Nevett:they do<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mathieu Weill:I think Massimo could provide that information<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mathieu Weill:There are bodies in some, not all cases<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:The only way you have the right to submit champagne is if you can attest that you have a TM, right?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:What is the list of people that can make that attestation?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):a company selling napkins of a colour of the Champagne wine?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marie Pattullo:There certainly are for Cognac, Champagne & some others - not sure if all have one.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mathieu Weill:@Kristine : it will depend on the jurisdiction... <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Georges Nahitchevansky:Yes there are certifying bodies for various designations and they would be the ones that would be able to pursue<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:the TMCH doesn't care about jurisdiction really. For their purposes, they need a mark in some jurisdiction.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Geographical-5Findications-5Fand-5Ftraditional-5Fspecialities-5Fin-5Fthe-5FEuropean-5FUnion&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=tApxDCQOtSpPL4mEHdDd6DC_wdgtlWo4TGtr5WvyVdg&e= <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mathieu Weill:Yes, that's why the question is really interesting<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I thought TMCH mostly care about the payment for the services :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:The question Deloitte was asked: "How many TMCH records include a TM+50 list; and how many are on this list on average? How many registrations were made for entries on the TM+50 list?"<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:So, is that roughly 1% of the TMCH recordals? (375 out of 30,000 ??)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Paul Tattersfield:Are there any issues if two different companies submit the same wordmark - Say Apple for Apple Inc. & Apple Music<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:for the record, I think the information would be great if we can figure out how to get it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Paul, what do you mean by issues? the TMCH doesn't apply substantive criteria. both would be allowed.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):what happens when two companies registered same THEMARK in TMCH and one of them registers it?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Paul Tattersfield:Can they both ocexist in the database without causing issues?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Yes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:The registry can apply additional criteria that may give one mark preference, but the TMCH is agnostic<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Paul Tattersfield:thanks Kristine<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:It's simply a db<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so the first company recieves Claim notice, when both actually have the same rights?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:yep<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:They can disregard it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Funny story, if you register your mark in the TMCH and then you wait till GA to register your name, the brand owner gets their OWN claims notice. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):TMCH got some glitches, no excuses, horrible service from IBM<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:agree J Scott<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:#13 is not for Deloitte to say either.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Q 13, also not for TMCH<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Griffin Barnett:Agree<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> susan payne:yes, agree<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Paul Keating:Please read teh question #. I have a terrible connecdtion sorry<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:#14 now, Paul Keating.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Paul Keating:thank you J. Scott<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Language <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Developing countries have a lot to do localisation of conetent - Especially in Language<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:@Kristine, I will look<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):actually if you try to read Russian text of TMCH ... your eyes will bleed<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:+1 Kristine. Is this a question about statistics by country of recordal?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> susan payne:yes we did. i think it';s captured in the education section to the extent they answered<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:i.e. # of recordals for USA, Canada, vs. developing countries....?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:George, we were trying to determine access <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:+1 Kristine<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I mean <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_ru&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=gzm5LoBc4_Yg90HrKgGQIWf01EuZ-QAq036VFDfUXAc&e">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_ru&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=gzm5LoBc4_Yg90HrKgGQIWf01EuZ-QAq036VFDfUXAc&e</a>= <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:Right, Kristine....by knowing the stats, one can perhaps infer the level of access? (i.e. if only 1% are from Africa, etc.)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:recordals might tell part of the story, but we want to know from which countries brand owners and their counsel were participating.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Yes, George.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):so they failed the simple task to just properly translate a page <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:They do translate their website into multiple languages, which is a good first step for accessibility.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:There is a list of agents at: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_agents&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=7MbDVji8QCfgMrv4x4TZNPncyAZBgSyIbrlXWs7q60A&e">https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_agents&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=hF0Ri8hBVUSZQtgnSbypFboC8JufxxgSrgqQmEC-HNQ&s=7MbDVji8QCfgMrv4x4TZNPncyAZBgSyIbrlXWs7q60A&e</a>= so one could figure it out.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:fortunately, we can probably check that ourselves.....sounds like the Ru page is poorly translated. Doesn't bode well for developing countries.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):anyway, prices for TMCH might be quite high for developing countries (different price of business e.t.c)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Good job with the self-help, George. I, for one, need to spend some time on the site. We want to ask questions having done some research.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Paul Keating:J. Scott, Given your comment regarding the purpose, I found that Deloitte's responses were not very helpful in that the responses were general in nature whcih by their nature seem to preclude making any specific suggestions. Perhaps I am mistaken but that is my view.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Paul Keating:Sorry but I have horrible connections (Ive tried all methods)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Paul Keating:so I may have missed something<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:Deloitte also noted that outreach and education are not part of the TMCH scope either.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):do they care who pays ... I am not so sure<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:@Paul, if a dial out on the telephone is needed, please let me know<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Vaibhav, that may also tell part of the story. If people in developing countries used a TM agent, we'd still be missing part of it.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> susan payne:Vaibhav, the person who submits the mark into the TMCH is not the mark owner, generally<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> susan payne:yes exactly J Scott<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:@J Scott, exactly<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:I think there are pieces that we can use to get what we need, but there won't be one definitive source.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vinzenz Heussler:#15<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Griffin Barnett:I think we skipped Q15?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:We're on #15.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:Although, it's not really for Deloitte.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Right, no Q for Deloitte on #15 or 16<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):if TMCH database is not private - then there is a risk of another clearinghouse with lower prices:)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Terri Agnew:The call for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group is scheduled for Wednesday, 22 February 2017 at 04:00 UTC for 60 minutes.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:Tuesday night in North America.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG::-)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG:Thanks JScott & Everyone. Allways a Pleasure<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Griffin Barnett:Thanks all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Steve Levy:Thanks aall<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Paul Tattersfield:thanks all bye<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vinzenz Heussler:bye to everyone<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kristine Dorrain - Amazon Registry Services:Or late for some. See you next week.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Vaibhav Aggarwal, NCSG::-)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marie Pattullo:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> George Kirikos:Bye folks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> susan payne:thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> David McAuley (RySG):Thanks, bye all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><o:p> </o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></body></html>