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<div>I am not in favor of asking the TMCH to disclose any marks that are registered. I am not opposed to asking the TMCH if there are marks fundamentally similar to our examples that registered.<br>
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On Feb 22, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:Paul@law.es">Paul@law.es</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Send the examples AND ask for the list.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 2:00 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg" <<a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com">jsevans@adobe.com</a>>, Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>>, Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] List of examples for Deloitte (Re: Action items and updated documents from Working Group call of 15 February)<br>
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<div><b>From: </b>J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg</div>
<div><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, February 22, 2017 5:48 AM</div>
<div><b>To: </b>Paul Keating; Mary Wong</div>
<div><b>Reply To: </b>J. Scott Evans</div>
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<div><b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] List of examples for Deloitte (Re: Action items and updated documents from Working Group call of 15 February)</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">I disagree with Paul. I think asking Deloitte to tell us if the textual elements of Rebecca’s examples and for an explanation of their analysis would be very enlightening and helpful.</span></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri; color:black"><<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 22, 2017 at 12:10 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] List of examples for Deloitte (Re: Action items and updated documents from Working Group call of 15 February)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:Calibri; color:black"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The issue I feel is not the figurative containing textual elements otherwise registrable. Rather we are really after a figurative mark used to protect a textual element not otherwise protectable as a trademark. E.g. "Fast Cars" with a
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On Feb 22, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">I’m sending this message on behalf of Rebecca Tushnet in relation to one Action Item from the 15 February Working Group call. This was for her to take the lead in suggesting some examples
of design marks that we can send to Deloitte for their opinion on whether the examples will or will not likely be accepted into the TMCH.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Please review the attached examples and send your comments to this list. Thank you.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Cheers</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Mary</span></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri; color:black">Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, February 20, 2017 at 12:23<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: Action items and updated documents from Working Group call of 15 February</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">This is just a gentle reminder to circulate your suggestions
<u>this week</u> for follow up questions and clarifications for Deloitte, based on the Working Group’s discussions to date of the tables for Categories 1 – 6.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">To assist those who were not able to attend both sessions where the tables were discussed:</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Wiki page containing call recording, transcript and updated table from 15 February (discussion of Categories 3 – 6):
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/TZ3DAw">https://community.icann.org/x/TZ3DAw</a></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Wiki page containing call recording, transcript, AC chat, updated table from 8 February (last discussion of Categories 1 -2), and compilation of TMCH Dispute Resolution Procedures: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/Q53DAw">https://community.icann.org/x/Q53DAw</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Mary</span></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri; color:black">Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, February 16, 2017 at 18:37<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Action items and updated documents from Working Group call of 15 February</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Please find attached the updated Tabular Summary for Categories 3-6 for your review (also posted to the Working Group wiki page with notes and recordings for this call, at
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/TZ3DAw)">https://community.icann.org/x/TZ3DAw)</a>. Please also note the following action items, which are also reflected in the updated table.</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">On Q7 (design marks) – Rebecca Tushnet to take the lead in developing a few examples of hypothetical design marks for sending to Deloitte for their views</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">On Q8 (Geographical Indicators) – Staff to confirm with OriGIn who may be able to submit G.I.s.</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">On Q9 (TM+50) – Working Group to review questions submitted by the Registries Stakeholder Group with a view toward agreement on whether to send them on to Deloitte</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">On Q14 (Accessibility) – Working Group to consider if there are additional/alternative sources that can provide us with more information.</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">[From last week] – please review the updated Tabular Summary for Categories 1 & 2 from last week and submit any follow up questions or suggestions for Deloitte to this mailing list. The
updated document is available under Follow Up Notes from the wiki page notes of the call last week:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/Q53DAw">https://community.icann.org/x/Q53DAw</a>.
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">[From last week] – please review the TMCH Dispute Resolution Procedures and suggest areas for discussion or follow up to this mailing list. The updated document is available under Follow
Up Notes from the wiki page notes of the call last week: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/Q53DAw">
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1 & 2 (from last week) and for Categories 3-6. <b><span style="color:red">Please try to submit your feedback by close of business in your time zone on Tuesday 21 February at the latest</span></b> so that we can have a full list ready as soon as possible.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Thank you.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Mary</span></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri; color:black">Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, February 14, 2017 at 11:08<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Proposed agenda and documents for RPM Working Group call on 15 February</span></p>
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</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Roll call (via Adobe Connect and phone bridge only); updates to Statements of Interest</span></p>
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</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Review table for Categories 3-6, with view to developing additional questions for Deloitte or that require further information</span></p>
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</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Next steps/next meeting</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Please note that the table for Agenda Item #2 had been circulated previously, on 6 February, and is also available on our Working Group wiki space here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/_pHRAw">https://community.icann.org/x/_pHRAw</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Please note also the Action Items from the meeting last week, which were as follows:</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Over the next week, WG members to review the table for Categories 1 & 2 and the discussions to date, in order for staff to compile and send all follow up questions to Deloitte before ICANN58
so as to have an informed discussion with them at ICANN58 (updated table was circulated on 10 February and is also available here:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/_pHRAw)">https://community.icann.org/x/_pHRAw)</a></span></p>
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</span></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">WG members to also review the TMCH Dispute Resolution Procedures and agree on any follow up questions for Deloitte (the Procedures were circulated on 10 February and are also available
here: <a href="http://trademark-clearinghouse.com/dispute)">http://trademark-clearinghouse.com/dispute)</a>.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Thanks and cheers</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:Calibri">Mary</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><List of marks to ask Deloitte about - from Rebecca Tushnet - 22 Feb 2017.docx></span></p>
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