<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">We did discuss these issues in the F2F in Copenhagen -- but not exhaustively....</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></p><div><p style="text-indent:0in"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><a name="UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter__GoBack"></a></span><b style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#002e62">Greg
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Kathy Kleiman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi Greg,</p>
<p>You raise a good point. I'm not sure we have explored the issues
and concerns on both sides - the problems of having the TMCH
Database closed or the problems that may arise from opening it up.
We also have not spent much time on how the TMCH database came to
be closed in the first place (according to materials put together
by our WG staff, confidentiality was not part of the "design
specs" of the GNSO Council or Board for the TMCH database). <br>
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<p>Sounds like a fruitful area of future WG discussion!</p>
<p>Best, Kathy<br>
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solutions for the issues and concerns that have been mitigated
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks!</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 12:21 PM,
Michael Karanicolas <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michael@law-democracy.org" target="_blank">michael@law-democracy.org</a>></span>
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<br>
Just building on the discussion around transparency, after
hearing the<br>
conversation at ICANN 58 I drafted my own short note setting
out my<br>
thoughts on the issue, which I'm attaching here.<br>
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I want to be mindful of the conversation on inputs which is
ongoing<br>
now - so hopefully it isn't out of place or inappropriate to
submit my<br>
thoughts via this method.<br>
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I very much look forward to further discussions on this
issue.<br>
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Best wishes,<br>
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Michael Karanicolas<br>
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On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:54 AM, Jeff Neuman <<a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Thanks Mary.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Co-Chairs,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Can I assume that with respect to the EFF letter,
the only items we would be<br>
> discussing from that letter at this point are their
comments with respect to<br>
> design marks and the transparency of the TMCH
database?<br>
><br>
> I am not saying the other comments are not
important, but with respect to<br>
> this Working Group at this time, we are not yet
addressing those other<br>
> issues.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> I would strongly urge that we not engage yet in the
other discussion around<br>
> the other comments at this point (namely, trademark
rights in general), as I<br>
> think that could lead us down a large rabbit hole
and considerably slow down<br>
> out work.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Jeffrey J. Neuman<br>
><br>
> Senior Vice President |Valideus USA | Com Laude USA<br>
><br>
> 1751 Pinnacle Drive, Suite 600<br>
><br>
> Mclean, VA 22102, United States<br>
><br>
> E: <a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@valideus.com" target="_blank">jeff.neuman@valideus.com</a>
or <a href="mailto:jeff.neuman@comlaude.com" target="_blank">jeff.neuman@comlaude.com</a><br>
><br>
> T: <a href="tel:%2B1.703.635.7514" value="+17036357514" target="_blank">+1.703.635.7514</a><br>
><br>
> M: <a href="tel:%2B1.202.549.5079" value="+12025495079" target="_blank">+1.202.549.5079</a><br>
><br>
> @Jintlaw<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@ic<wbr>ann.org</a>]<br>
> On Behalf Of Mary Wong<br>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 6:15 AM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
> Subject: [gnso-rpm-wg] FOR INFORMATION: Letter from
trademark scholars and<br>
> information on Deloitte Ancillary Services<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dear all,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> During the ICANN58 Working Group sessions in
Copenhagen, the following two<br>
> matters came up for which staff is now following up
with the requested<br>
> document (for #1) and information (for #2).<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Item #1: Letter of 10 March 2017 from some
trademark scholars and<br>
> practitioners to our Working Group co-chairs
expressing concerns with<br>
> certain aspects of the TMCH:<br>
> <a href="https://www.eff.org/files/2017/03/10/tm_scholars_letter_to_icann_final.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.eff.org/files/2017<wbr>/03/10/tm_scholars_letter_to_<wbr>icann_final.pdf</a>.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Item #2: Question regarding the Ancillary Services
that Deloitte is<br>
> permitted to provide under its Validation Agreement
with ICANN, subject to<br>
> ICANN’s authorization.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Currently, two Ancillary Services have been
approved by ICANN:<br>
><br>
> 1. Extended Claims Services<br>
><br>
> The extended claims services provide the Trademark
Holder or Trademark<br>
> Agent, as applicable, with an electronic
notification when a domain name<br>
> registered in an Eligible TLD matches one or more
of such party’s recorded<br>
> labels with the TMCH. The extended claims services
does not include a<br>
> domain name pre-registration notification (i.e. a
notification to the<br>
> potential registrant of a domain name that the
domain name such registrant<br>
> intends to register matches a label recorded with
the Trademark<br>
> Clearinghouse).<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 2. Audit Report<br>
><br>
> Deloitte may offer an audit report service for
Trademark Holders and<br>
> Trademark Agents with active Trademark Records
recorded in the Trademark<br>
> Clearinghouse. Such audit reports shall consist
primarily of a listing of<br>
> matches between their recorded labels within the
Trademark Clearinghouse and<br>
> domain names registered in an Eligible TLD.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> FYI, Deloitte’s contract with ICANN is for an
initial period expiring on the<br>
> fifth anniversary of ICANN’s entry into a Registry
Agreement under the New<br>
> gTLD Program, with consecutive one-year renewals
thereafter. Although<br>
> Deloitte currently serves as the sole TMCH
validator, ICANN may appoint<br>
> additional validators once ten Qualified Sunrise
Periods have been completed<br>
> under the New gTLD Program.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Thanks and cheers<br>
><br>
> Mary<br>
><br>
><br>
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