<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>You keep referencing prior articulations.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"> </div><div id="AppleMailSignature">"(<a name="_MailEndCompose" style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);"><font color="#000000">for the reasons that have already been articulated extensively over the past several days)"</font></a></div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I hae not seen anything but assertions that have been completely discredited by the actual evidence. Care to articulate?</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 13 Apr 2017, at 18:23, Nahitchevansky, Georges <<a href="mailto:ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com">ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I likewise agree. If the goal is to give the aggrieved party a bona fide remedy, then there should be no issue. The alleged abuse
could be challenged just like tm owners can challenge alleged bogus and infringing domain names (as J.S has said). I would support such a fix in the system. But beyond that I see no need of opening the TMCH database (for the reasons that have already been
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 13, 2017 12:08 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Bret Fausett; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items, Slides and Notes from the Working Group call held earlier today<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Agreed. Obtaining the domain is the goal and the system should be designed to allow an aggrieved party to achieve that goal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 9:05 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items, Slides and Notes from the Working Group call held earlier today<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You’ll get no quarrel from me on imposing a cost. There are real costs involved for the companies that are required to review and adjudicate these disputes, so those costs should be reimbursed. I think challengers would be fine with the
costs if the rewards were adjusted to ensure they had a better outcome (the domain in question). If they don’t get the domain at the end of the process, we are just counting on them to be working for the public good. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">First, if a person challenges a Sunrise Registration at the registry and wins, they should be awarded the domain name. Why is it the cost of obtaining
a domain name from a bad-faith Sunrise registrant gets everyone up in arms, but the enormous cost of preventing fraud and consumer confusion borne by trademark owners is seen as “just the cost of doing business in the online world”? I am all for finding cost-effective
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on behalf of Bret Fausett <<a href="mailto:bret@uniregistry.com">bret@uniregistry.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 8:55 AM<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items, Slides and Notes from the Working Group call held earlier today</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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(www.trademark‑</span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclearinghouse.com%2Fdispute&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd34c513ef31a415c792b08d482858b3f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636276957460088884&sdata=XBslWFTeBK1aE23jA09owCwmDa7iiVCRfvuev0%2FVVhU%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:purple">clearinghouse.com/dispute</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">)
are already subject to challenge. Would you be able to help this group understand why you view these as insufficient measures?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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dispute, which costs at least $200 and will last for at least a month. At the end of that process, even if I am right, the trademark is marked as invalid, but I don’t get the domain name that I was blocked from registering. <o:p></o:p></p>
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