<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">You’ll get no quarrel from me on imposing a cost. There are real costs involved for the companies that are required to review and adjudicate these disputes, so those costs should be reimbursed. I think challengers would be fine with the costs if the rewards were adjusted to ensure they had a better outcome (the domain in question). If they don’t get the domain at the end of the process, we are just counting on them to be working for the public good. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> Bret</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:00 AM, J. Scott Evans <<a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">First, if a person challenges a Sunrise Registration at the registry and wins, they should be awarded the domain name. Why is it the cost of obtaining a domain name from a bad-faith Sunrise registrant gets everyone up in arms, but the enormous cost of preventing fraud and consumer confusion borne by trademark owners is seen as “just the cost of doing business in the online world”? I am all for finding cost-effective mechanism for a good faith registrant to obtain a domain name the was improperly registered under Sunrise, but there is going to be a cost.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">J. 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Make It an Experience.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="204" valign="bottom" style="width: 153pt; padding: 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">jsevans@adobe.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td><td width="324" valign="bottom" style="width: 243pt; padding: 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><a href="http://www.adobe.com/" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">www.adobe.com</a><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td valign="bottom" style="border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td colspan="3" style="border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span style="font-family: Calibri;" class=""><<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Bret Fausett <<a href="mailto:bret@uniregistry.com" class="">bret@uniregistry.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 8:55 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items, Slides and Notes from the Working Group call held earlier today<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class="" type="cite"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" class="">to the extent there are issues with the bona fides of individual registrations, the underlying trademark registration, and its recordal in the TMCH (www.trademark‑</span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fclearinghouse.com%2Fdispute&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cd34c513ef31a415c792b08d482858b3f%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636276957460088884&sdata=XBslWFTeBK1aE23jA09owCwmDa7iiVCRfvuev0%2FVVhU%3D&reserved=0" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: purple;" class="">clearinghouse.com/dispute</span></a><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial;" class="">) are already subject to challenge. Would you be able to help this group understand why you view these as insufficient measures?</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></blockquote></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">I think any challenge mechanism that relies on good samaritans for enforcement is insufficient. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">If I am pre-empted in my registration of “internet.TLD” or “online.TLD,” because someone had registered them in sunrise with “marks” that should not have been approved, my options at that point are to file a TMCH dispute, which costs at least $200 and will last for at least a month. At the end of that process, even if I am right, the trademark is marked as invalid, but I don’t get the domain name that I was blocked from registering. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">If I want to file a sunrise challenge with the registry, depending on the registry’s policy, I may be awarded the domain name, but I am not guaranteed to be awarded the domain name. Those processes also take time and money. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">So it really takes a determined individual or company, with time and money, to pursue these challenges. <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class="">If I were adjusting these processes for Round 2, I would give the complainant a presumptive right to register the challenged domains if and after the TMCH registration was deemed invalid. That would provide better motivation to pursue the existing remedies.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""> - Bret<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>