<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>But Reg, by that token any possession of any DN is a restriction of speech, as only one person can ever own a DN. I don't see it that way. </div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br><br>Sent from my iPhone, sorry for typos </div><div><br>On 14 Apr 2017, at 19:34, Reg Levy <<a href="mailto:reg@mmx.co">reg@mmx.co</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252">+1 Jeremy. It’s a prior restriction on speech. Trademarks are a restriction on speech—one that may well be beneficial overall, but we must continue to be aware of this as we discuss extending those rights in the TLD space.<br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 14 Apr 2017, at 10:24, Marina Lewis <<a href="mailto:marina@dns-law.com" class="">marina@dns-law.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoPlainText">Jeremy,<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Except that real life doesn't pan out like that. In my experience as a trademark practitioner, my clients are not interested in gobbling up domain names for registration's sake - and absorbing the administrative and financial headaches
that this entails. Rather, most brand owners are primarily concerned with stopping the registration of domains names that genuinely cause confusion with consumers, or which pose a potential threat to consumer and public safety (e.g., phishing, malware, etc.).
A domain name registration along the lines you suggest below simply does not reflect that business reality.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">That said, I am not so naïve to suppose that this <i class="">never</i> happens by a trademark owner acting in bad faith, but I am not aware of any evidence to suggest this is the norm. Moreover, the greater threat are the instances where domain
investors/resellers/scalpers (choose your preferred terminology) register domain names which
<i class="">they</i> have no bona fide interest in using, apart from reselling it at a profit to a party interested in using it for legitimate purposes – aka, a brand owner. This is exactly the type of “abuse” the TMCH was designed to prevent.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Marina<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""> </a></p>
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From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of Jeremy Malcolm<br class="">
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:12 AM<br class="">
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br class="">
Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] A Brave New World Without Sunrises or the TMCH</p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">On 13/4/17 8:47 pm, Greg Shatan wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">> However, I don't think number 2 qualifies as gaming or abuse -- except
<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">> to the extent the trademark owner is being gamed or abused. Indeed,
<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">> one of the failed assumptions of the New gTLD Program seems to have
<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">> been that trademark owners would buy even more defensive registrations
<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">> than they did.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">So there's nothing wrong with a company that has a trademark for computers sunrise registering that trademark in a gTLD that relates to fruit on the strength of its computer trademark, locking out those who would actually use that domain
name to sell fruit? Sounds like abuse to me.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">--<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Jeremy Malcolm<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Senior Global Policy Analyst<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Electronic Frontier Foundation<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="https://eff.org/" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none" class="">https://eff.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" class=""><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none" class="">jmalcolm@eff.org</span></a><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Tel: 415.436.9333 ext 161<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">:: Defending Your Rights in the Digital World ::<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p><p class="MsoPlainText">Public key: <a href="https://www.eff.org/files/2016/11/27/key_jmalcolm.txt" class="">
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