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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:windowtext">Team:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:windowtext">My concern with GI’s is, unlike trademarks, there is no consistent treatment of them in the international arena. In contrast, trademarks are very clearly recognized and
treated similarly. Hence, the reason the language is “a mark” protected by statute or treaty.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri">From: </span></b><span style="font-family:Calibri"><gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Massimo <Massimo@origin-gi.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, April 24, 2017 at 8:59 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Kathy Kleiman <kathy@kathykleiman.com>, "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Recommendation II for Question #8<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Dear Kathy, dear all,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">I would like all of you to look at question 8 from a different perspective.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">The acceptance of “marks protected by statute or treaty” might rather
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext">have been</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> an
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext">attempt</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> to increase the legal certainty of the gTLDs system.
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext">The </span>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Working Group would lose an opportunity if it refuses to analyze the issue altogether and simply state that the TMCH is intended only for trademarks and any expansion would deeply harm the Multistakeholder Process.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext">I think the crucial issue is why the TMCH guidelines explicitly mention Geographical Indications (GIs).
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">One of answer might be that GIs represent today a relevant legal and commercial reality worldwide:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">GIs are recognized in the WTO TRIPs Agreement (art.22.1);
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">A large majority of countries provide today specific legislation on GIs separated from trademarks<b>: EU, Switzerland</b>:
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, <b>Brazil</b>: </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D125397&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=f7Mi0e%2F3ClwXM0wSzKFa8qF%2Fm6GA8g26T2ga8zmveaE%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=125397</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">
(Title IV), <b>Chile:</b> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Fdetails.jsp%3Fid%3D5325&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=i88Nz3JhFgQOFWf0L9OaSWIj21pG81YYYfzfOs%2BodoU%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/details.jsp?id=5325</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">,
China: </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Fdetails.jsp%3Fid%3D6348&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=38SeEPYFGd1oqMRI0miAV9XAN4VtxUomAAfMEs97dcc%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/details.jsp?id=6348</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">,
<b>OAPI (16 countries in Western and Central Africa): </b></span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Fother_treaties%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D181151&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=UkV8NjDkFm2DAYK8I1VOXpQtjsWpiBrLCg5d8kwgjOc%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/other_treaties/text.jsp?file_id=181151</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext">,
<b>Colombia:</b> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fes%2Fdetails.jsp%3Fid%3D9451&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=9%2BnMatJKoAvxYd7UBkCPhguwN%2Bv32PaYzOoDy0pEm%2Fw%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/es/details.jsp?id=9451</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext">
, </span><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Georgia</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">:
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, <b>Indonesia :</b> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D182324&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=lgBfZaCPWmcJDXUOTVhXNqP74XO8zH5hQhUqVG6FeEo%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=182324</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">
, <b>India</b> (see attached), <b>Japan:</b> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.maff.go.jp%2Fe%2Fpolicies%2Fintel%2Fgi_act%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=hXlF5%2Flbv0rfFr9pIh0zWszOYKQWb3WA6j%2BoWKZjgoc%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.maff.go.jp/e/policies/intel/gi_act/</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">,
<b>Morocco</b>: </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ompic.org.ma%2Ffr%2Fcontent%2Findications-geographiques-et-appellations-dorigine&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=CRYWHYQ3jEyoh69OP824%2B59SCfWbIjuqGFZ3o5yUyis%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.ompic.org.ma/fr/content/indications-geographiques-et-appellations-dorigine</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">
; <b>Mexico</b>: </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Fdetails.jsp%3Fid%3D11711&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=bw0X55ZqEyTipbj2KCx3mgA%2FLSWEB39hnl9nMNy9PbY%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/details.jsp?id=11711</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">
(Titulo V), <b>Malaysia:</b> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D128846&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=sbM9uRT8loTvWa3zdkflKQhNSUgQ2rUbCBCorwqEWjE%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=128846</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">,
<b>New Zealand</b>: </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legislation.govt.nz%2Fbill%2Fgovernment%2F2015%2F0086%2Flatest%2FDLM6641912.html%3Fsearch%3Dta_bill_G_bc%2540bcur_an%2540bn%2540rn_25_a%26p%3D1&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=ialu2fFYlFZWQScsYe4WOjggs7Kd9K3bF9pzti2uWl8%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2015/0086/latest/DLM6641912.html?search=ta_bill_G_bc%40bcur_an%40bn%40rn_25_a&p=1</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">
, <b>Russia:</b> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Fdetails.jsp%3Fid%3D12785&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=cNVJDGi8SnJjvK7usXkS3I848mt8kJttZaSE%2FfGaD6k%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/details.jsp?id=12785</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">
, <b>Vietnam:</b> </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D131515&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=JGG50V0%2Fuk3zOlOzliyRAKkqqyHokRNEU2CKr3RfQ4s%3D&reserved=0"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=131515</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">,
… just to name a few. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">As a result, there are today some 8.000 GIs recognized in the world (oriGIn is preparing an online compilation on this that will be published later in September). Such GIs benefit
from legal titles arising from transparent registration processes (often managed by national or regional trademark offices), that can be easily verified. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Not taking into account such a legal and commercial reality in the domain names environment would
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext">be</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> unreasonable.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:windowtext">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">I think the Working Group should look at the question I raise as well as the other information provided on GIs, and rather work on making sure the TMCH guidelines concerning the marks protected
under statues and treaties are formulated in a way that makes reference exclusively to IP titles that can easily verifiable (this is the case for GIs). In this way, we will contribute to increase the legal certainty and predictability of the domain names system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Best, </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Massimo </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-language:FR-CH">Mr Massimo Vittori</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-language:FR-CH">Managing Director – oriGIn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-language:FR-CH">1, rue de Varembé 1202, Geneva, Switzerland</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-language:FR-CH">Telephone: +41 (0) 22 755 07 32</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Arial;mso-fareast-language:FR-CH">E-mail:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:windowtext"> gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 April 2017 02:35<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rpm-wg] Recommendation II for Question #8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">All,<br>
Question #8 has been very much before us in discussions online, questions to Deloitte, and at meetings. I greatly respect Paul McGrady's early submission, and of course, support it. But I think that the requirements of this process require a little more foundation
and discussion of harm, and I see a slightly different scope of concern. Accordingly, this longer discussion is set out below (and attached as a PDF). This is a separate recommendation from that of Paul's, hence its title "Recommendation II for Question #8."
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As before, I submit this recommendation in my capacity as a member of the Working Group, and not as a co-chair.
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Tx you for your review, <br>
Kathy<br>
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<b><span style="font-family:Calibri">Recommendation for Question #8: Marks Protected by Statue or Treaty</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:Calibri">It is with considerable interest that the RPM WG has evaluated the question of Deloitte accepting into the TMCH database marks protected by statute
or treaty. In our investigation we have found:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-family:Calibri">1.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">The wording that creates this subcategory of protected marks does not come from the recommendations adopted by the GNSO Council or ICANN Board;
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-family:Calibri">2.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">Everyone who sees these rules interprets them differently:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in">
o<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span style="font-family:Calibri">Some think it is solely to protect those marks expressly set out in treaty, e.g., “Olympics”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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o<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span style="font-family:Calibri">Others think it is to protect categories of organizations, such as International Governmental Organizations; and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:auto;text-indent:-.25in">
o<span style="font-size:7.0pt"> </span><span style="font-family:Calibri">Still others think it is to protect such as geographical indications.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-family:Calibri">3.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">Deloitte will not explain how they interpret this section or what they are accepted into the TMCH database.
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="text-indent:-.25in"><span style="font-family:Calibri">4.</span><span style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span style="font-family:Calibri">Acceptance of “marks protected by statute or treaty” appears to be a direct violation of the original intent and instructions of the rules adopted by the GNSO Council and ICANN Board.
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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast"><span style="font-family:Calibri">Specifically, Item 1.1 of the TMCH rules adopted by the Council and Board provides for only acceptance of trademarks: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:Calibri">“The name of the rights protection mechanism should be the ‘Trademark Clearinghouse’ to signify that only trademarks are to be included in the database.”
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<span style="font-family:Calibri">Section 1. Name; 1.1 Trademark Clearinghouse; <cite>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri">Second, by these adopted rules, <u>anything that is not a trademark cannot be entered into the main TMCH Database, but may be segregated into another “ancillary database”: </u></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:Calibri">“The TC Service Provider should be required to maintain a separate TC database, and may not store any data in the TC database related to its provision of ancillary services, if any.”
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<span style="font-family:Calibri">Section 2, Functionality of the Trademark Clearinghouse, 2.3 Segregation of the Trademark Clearinghouse Database.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri">Finally, the limitations above were passed by “Unanimous consent” of all Stakeholder Groups in the STI, and then adopted unanimously by the GNSO Council and ICANN Board.
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<b><i><span style="font-family:Calibri">Accordingly, the rules adopted by the GNSO Council and ICANN Board are very clear: the Trademark Clearinghouse is for Trademarks.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:Calibri">The Applicant Guidebook appears to be the source of this odd expansion of subcategories for “marks” being accepted into the Trademark Clearinghouse
database. In the Applicant Guidebook, Module 5, <i>Trademark Clearinghouse Section,</i> we find:
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<b><span style="font-family:Calibri">Section 3, <i>Criteria for Trademark Inclusion in Clearinghouse</i>:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:Calibri">“3.2 The standards for inclusion in the Clearinghouse are:
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<b><span style="font-family:Calibri">3.2.3 Any word mark protected by a statute or treaty in effect at the time the mark is submitted to the Clearinghouse for inclusion.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:Calibri">3.2.4 Other marks that constitute intellectual property.”</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnewgtlds.icann.org%2Fen%2Fapplicants%2Fagb&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=Owt55kq2Hya3Gqa52hcHFsvW7tzRh%2B1FvN8KbRnLUpI%3D&reserved=0">https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:Calibri">It is not clear that 3.2.3 is only for trademarks (and clearly Deloitte does not interpret it so) or what 3.2.4 means or includes. In all events,
neither of two subcategories were discussed or approved by the GNSO Council and ICANN Board.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:Calibri">Further, under the express rules adopted, any results of 3.2.3 and 3.2.4 that are not trademarks would have to be entered into a
<b>different database, not the main Trademark Clearinghouse database used for Community-Approved RPMs</b> (per STI Recommendations, Section 2, Functionality of the Trademark Clearinghouse, 2.3 Segregation of the Trademark Clearinghouse Database above).
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:Calibri">Overall, we know that at least 75 terms have been approved by Deloitte under 3.2.3 without regard to their trademark status and are currently in
the TMCH Database. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span style="font-family:Calibri">Harm:</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:Calibri">The TMCH Database is growing beyond the rules established and set by the GNSO Council, ICANN Board or ICANN Community. This deeply harms the Multistakeholder
Process. As discussed extensively on the RPM PDP WG list, the original GNSO committees worked long and hard and carefully balanced the rights of those seeking trademark protection and those seeking to register domain names in New gTLDs. Allowing into the Trademark
Clearinghouse new types of entries is a decision for this Working Group, but not for Deloitte or ICANN Staff.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:Calibri">Second, these subsections allow a level of interpretation and discretion never intended for the Trademark Clearinghouse Provider. Through Section
3.2.3 and 3.2.4, Deloitte is engaged in a new function of discretion, interpretation and choice – one without rules, guidance and oversight by ICANN and ICANN Community. Ultimately, we don’t even understand what is being accepted (and Deloitte would not tell
us).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:Calibri">Third, these subsections (3.2.2 and 3.2.4) harm all of those seeking to register domain names, in good faith for their new groups, companies, goods,
services, hobbies, speech, research and education. Absent a trademark right of precedence, all other domain names should be open and available to the world to register. That was the promise of the New gTLD Program.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span style="font-family:Calibri">Action:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:Calibri">The WG has an oversight obligation to ensure the rules adopted by the Community are followed. We can ensure that subcategories 3.2.3 and 3.2.4
are allowed <b>only to the extent they are registered trademarks</b>. Alternatively, the Working Group
<b>by consensus</b> may CHANGE the rules and present to the GNSO Council and the ICANN Board a new set of standards by which Deloitte (or any future TMCH provider) may review and accept these subcategories of marks.
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