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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’ll try to be practical and to the point.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As to the first question, let’s review the “legislative” history and proceed from there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As to the second question, I agree that this requires some thinking though my intent was to highlight the affinity of GIs to trademarks, certainly not to create
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I don't think people are saying that GI's should be excluded because they are a unique form of trademarks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I think they are saying that GI's should be excluded because they are not trademarks at all. (Putting aside those GI's that are also the subject of trademark registrations).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">That is not to say that GI's aren't intellectual property. But so are a host of other things -- trade names, fictitious names, copyrights, design rights, rights of publicity, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There are two questions getting entangled here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">First, what does "mark protected by statute or treaty" mean?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">An evidence-based approach to this question should be pursued, looking at the "legislative history" and determining how this got into the TMCH.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Personally, it's been my understanding that "marks" refers to those things protected by trademark laws.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I think it's likely that the TMCH made an error in including GIs in this category, and doubled down on it when they gave GIs as the example for this category.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">However, we should get to the facts of what happened then and what was intended the first time those words were put down, and what was the predicate for doing so?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The best way to convince anyone what this was meant to cover when it was put into practice is to discover it through research, not try to persuade by opinion.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">If the facts show that this was meant to cover GIs, then we have a whole different ballgame. But my recollection of what was going on at the time was that this was meant to cover trademarks that were not registered
in national or regional (e.g., EU) trademark databases, but rather were granted trademark protection by a specific statute or treaty (e.g., BIG BROTHERS was originally protected in the US by an Act of Congress, decades before the first trademark registration
was acquired).</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Second, should GI's be entitled to some form of protection, such as Sunrises, Claims and "curative rights" akin to the UDRP and/or URS?</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This can be advocated for without trying to jam GIs into the "mark" category.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Any right that puts TMs and GIs on an equal footing is troublesome, wherever there is a head-to-head issue. Following the INTA "first in time, first in right" approach based on the date legal rights accrued would
require a priority-based system, which would probably require some form of human intervention. This then leads to the question of "why not have priority between trademarks?" This would be a huge change from the current "first to register the domain" system
(in everything but end-date sunrises, where all applicants have an equal opportunity, so it's still not priority based. This would have immense consequences and change every RPM and undo 17 years of practice and precedent.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Saying that TMs always trump GIs is tempting, but is there a basis in law?</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Strategically, we would need a compelling way to avoid bootstrapping to give rights to "geographical terms" (i.e., every term in Google Earth or in Atlas (remember those?)). We are not going to get ready recognition
by Argentina, Brazil and Peru that "Champagne" deserves rights protection but "Amazon" doesn't.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Deloitte is allowed to create their own databases of anything, just as long as they are kept separated. .wine/.vin could have had an "appellation controlee" database created by Deloitte and then run a vintage
pre-launch program. But going from there to an ICANN-created policy is a big leap.</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This can be extrapolated to any type of IP that could be made into a domain name, but that takes us back to the idea of an IPCH, which is a much bigger issue than whether GIs are marks. There's nothing wrong with
a big proposal, but that proposal wasn't made. One could try to bring it to the table now, but not by saying that GIs are trademarks or that "marks protected by statute or treaty" was meant to include GIs.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Jonathan Agmon <<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I actually think that GIs have a rather consistent treatment and if not treatment then certainly international
recognition and protection. In many countries registration is available either in the national trademark registry or a side registry which is most often a part of the trademark office.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">WIPO Lex specifies over 1000 piece of national legislation relating to GIs around 120 countries.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Team:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">My concern with GI’s is, unlike trademarks, there is no consistent treatment of them in the international
arena. In contrast, trademarks are very clearly recognized and treated similarly. Hence, the reason the language is “a mark” protected by statute or treaty.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, April 24, 2017 at 8:59 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Dear Kathy, dear all,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I would like all of you to look at question 8 from a different perspective.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">The acceptance of “marks protected by statute or treaty” might rather have been an attempt to increase
the legal certainty of the gTLDs system. The Working Group would lose an opportunity if it refuses to analyze the issue altogether and simply state that the TMCH is intended only for trademarks and any expansion would deeply harm the Multistakeholder Process.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I think the crucial issue is why the TMCH guidelines explicitly mention Geographical Indications (GIs).
One of answer might be that GIs represent today a relevant legal and commercial reality worldwide:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">1.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">GIs are recognized in the WTO TRIPs Agreement (art.22.1);
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<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">2.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A large majority of countries provide today specific legislation on GIs separated from trademarks<b>: EU, Switzerland</b>:
</span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.admin.ch%2Fopc%2Ffr%2Fclassified-compilation%2F19970229%2Findex.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=JxMQ7UYekeJNuHK1t2Ow5R5z%2BkcmYuMu5VqB4qDY828%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">https://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/classified-compilation/19970229/index.html</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
, <b>Brazil</b>: </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D125397&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=f7Mi0e%2F3ClwXM0wSzKFa8qF%2Fm6GA8g26T2ga8zmveaE%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=125397</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
(Title IV), <b>Chile:</b> </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Fdetails.jsp%3Fid%3D5325&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=i88Nz3JhFgQOFWf0L9OaSWIj21pG81YYYfzfOs%2BodoU%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/details.jsp?id=5325</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">,
China: </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Fdetails.jsp%3Fid%3D6348&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=38SeEPYFGd1oqMRI0miAV9XAN4VtxUomAAfMEs97dcc%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/details.jsp?id=6348</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">,
<b>OAPI (16 countries in Western and Central Africa): </b></span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Fother_treaties%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D181151&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=UkV8NjDkFm2DAYK8I1VOXpQtjsWpiBrLCg5d8kwgjOc%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/other_treaties/text.jsp?file_id=181151</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">,
<b>Colombia:</b> </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fes%2Fdetails.jsp%3Fid%3D9451&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=9%2BnMatJKoAvxYd7UBkCPhguwN%2Bv32PaYzOoDy0pEm%2Fw%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/es/details.jsp?id=9451</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
, <b>Georgia</b>: </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D127543&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=iWOXwX%2FG8%2FOYdnpyLEJDgpvdRg2cKIebiE1mzqDOezY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=127543</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
, <b>Indonesia :</b> </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D182324&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=lgBfZaCPWmcJDXUOTVhXNqP74XO8zH5hQhUqVG6FeEo%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=182324</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
, <b>India</b> (see attached), <b>Japan:</b> </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.maff.go.jp%2Fe%2Fpolicies%2Fintel%2Fgi_act%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438668704&sdata=hXlF5%2Flbv0rfFr9pIh0zWszOYKQWb3WA6j%2BoWKZjgoc%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.maff.go.jp/e/policies/intel/gi_act/</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">,
<b>Morocco</b>: </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ompic.org.ma%2Ffr%2Fcontent%2Findications-geographiques-et-appellations-dorigine&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=CRYWHYQ3jEyoh69OP824%2B59SCfWbIjuqGFZ3o5yUyis%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.ompic.org.ma/fr/content/indications-geographiques-et-appellations-dorigine</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
; <b>Mexico</b>: </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Fdetails.jsp%3Fid%3D11711&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=bw0X55ZqEyTipbj2KCx3mgA%2FLSWEB39hnl9nMNy9PbY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/details.jsp?id=11711</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
(Titulo V), <b>Malaysia:</b> </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D128846&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=sbM9uRT8loTvWa3zdkflKQhNSUgQ2rUbCBCorwqEWjE%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=128846</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">,
<b>New Zealand</b>: </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.legislation.govt.nz%2Fbill%2Fgovernment%2F2015%2F0086%2Flatest%2FDLM6641912.html%3Fsearch%3Dta_bill_G_bc%2540bcur_an%2540bn%2540rn_25_a%26p%3D1&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=ialu2fFYlFZWQScsYe4WOjggs7Kd9K3bF9pzti2uWl8%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2015/0086/latest/DLM6641912.html?search=ta_bill_G_bc%40bcur_an%40bn%40rn_25_a&p=1</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
, <b>Russia:</b> </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Fdetails.jsp%3Fid%3D12785&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=cNVJDGi8SnJjvK7usXkS3I848mt8kJttZaSE%2FfGaD6k%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/details.jsp?id=12785</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
, <b>Vietnam:</b> </span><span lang="EN-US"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wipo.int%2Fwipolex%2Fen%2Ftext.jsp%3Ffile_id%3D131515&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=JGG50V0%2Fuk3zOlOzliyRAKkqqyHokRNEU2CKr3RfQ4s%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=131515</span></a></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">,
… just to name a few. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">3.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As a result, there are today some 8.000 GIs recognized in the world (oriGIn is preparing an online compilation on this that will be published later in September). Such GIs benefit
from legal titles arising from transparent registration processes (often managed by national or regional trademark offices), that can be easily verified. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Not taking into account such a legal and commercial reality in the domain names environment would be unreasonable.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I think the Working Group should look at the question I raise as well as the other information provided
on GIs, and rather work on making sure the TMCH guidelines concerning the marks protected under statues and treaties are formulated in a way that makes reference exclusively to IP titles that can easily verifiable (this is the case for GIs). In this way, we
will contribute to increase the legal certainty and predictability of the domain names system.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kathy Kleiman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 20 April 2017 02:35<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rpm-wg] Recommendation II for Question #8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">All,<br>
Question #8 has been very much before us in discussions online, questions to Deloitte, and at meetings. I greatly respect Paul McGrady's early submission, and of course, support it. But I think that the requirements of this process require a little more foundation
and discussion of harm, and I see a slightly different scope of concern. Accordingly, this longer discussion is set out below (and attached as a PDF). This is a separate recommendation from that of Paul's, hence its title "Recommendation II for Question #8."
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As before, I submit this recommendation in my capacity as a member of the Working Group, and not as a co-chair.
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Tx you for your review, <br>
Kathy<br>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Recommendation for Question #8: Marks Protected by Statue or Treaty</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It is with considerable interest that the RPM WG has evaluated the question of Deloitte accepting into the TMCH database
marks protected by statute or treaty. In our investigation we have found:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">1.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The wording that creates this subcategory of protected marks does not come from the recommendations adopted by the GNSO Council or ICANN Board;
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">2.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Everyone who sees these rules interprets them differently:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-US">o</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Some think it is solely to protect those marks expressly set out in treaty, e.g., “Olympics”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-US">o</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Others think it is to protect categories of organizations, such as International Governmental Organizations; and
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-US">o</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Still others think it is to protect such as geographical indications.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Deloitte will not explain how they interpret this section or what they are accepted into the TMCH database.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">4.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:7.0pt">
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Acceptance of “marks protected by statute or treaty” appears to be a direct violation of the original intent and instructions of the rules adopted by the GNSO Council and ICANN Board.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="m8807143722022310990msolistparagraph"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Specifically, Item 1.1 of the TMCH rules adopted by the Council and Board provides for only acceptance of trademarks: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“The name of the rights protection mechanism should be the ‘Trademark Clearinghouse’ to signify that only trademarks are to be included in the database.”
</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Section 1. Name; 1.1 Trademark Clearinghouse;
<cite><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;font-style:normal"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgnso.icann.org%2Fen%2Fissues%2Fsti%2Fsti-wt-recommendations-11dec09-en.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636286465438678708&sdata=xUl1ISG5xGE6OX94PjxLTni4m6RlsCYMkCpEKIY3E%2BY%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/sti/sti-wt-recommendations-11dec09-en.pdf</a></span></cite><cite><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Second, by these adopted rules,
<u>anything that is not a trademark cannot be entered into the main TMCH Database, but may be segregated into another “ancillary database”: </u></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:1.0in">
<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“The TC Service Provider should be required to maintain a separate TC database, and may not store any data in the TC database related to its provision of ancillary services, if any.”
</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Section 2, Functionality of the Trademark Clearinghouse, 2.3 Segregation of the Trademark Clearinghouse Database.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Finally, the limitations above were passed by “Unanimous consent” of all Stakeholder Groups in the STI, and then adopted unanimously by the GNSO Council and ICANN Board.
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<b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Accordingly, the rules adopted by the GNSO Council and ICANN Board are very clear: the Trademark Clearinghouse is for Trademarks.</span></i></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Origin of Problem:
</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The Applicant Guidebook appears to be the source of this odd expansion of subcategories for “marks” being accepted into
the Trademark Clearinghouse database. In the Applicant Guidebook, Module 5, <i>
Trademark Clearinghouse Section,</i> we find: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-indent:.5in">
<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Section 3, <i>Criteria for Trademark Inclusion in Clearinghouse</i>:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">“3.2 The standards for inclusion in the Clearinghouse are:
</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 3.2.1 [Skipped]</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> 3.2.2 [Skipped]</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3.2.3 Any word mark protected by a statute or treaty in effect at the time the mark is submitted to the Clearinghouse for inclusion.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">3.2.4 Other marks that constitute intellectual property.”</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnewgtlds.icann.org%2Fen%2Fapplicants%2Fagb&data=02%7C01%7C%7C3aa881e644d644fccd5a08d48b2af3ee%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636286465438678708&sdata=Owt55kq2Hya3Gqa52hcHFsvW7tzRh%2B1FvN8KbRnLUpI%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank">https://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb</a>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It is not clear that 3.2.3 is only for trademarks (and clearly Deloitte does not interpret it so) or what 3.2.4 means
or includes. In all events, neither of two subcategories were discussed or approved by the GNSO Council and ICANN Board.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Further, under the express rules adopted, any results of 3.2.3 and 3.2.4 that are not trademarks would have to be entered
into a <b>different database, not the main Trademark Clearinghouse database used for Community-Approved RPMs</b> (per STI Recommendations, Section 2, Functionality of the Trademark Clearinghouse, 2.3 Segregation of the Trademark Clearinghouse Database above).
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Overall, we know that at least 75 terms have been approved by Deloitte under 3.2.3 without regard to their trademark
status and are currently in the TMCH Database. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Harm:</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The TMCH Database is growing beyond the rules established and set by the GNSO Council, ICANN Board or ICANN Community.
This deeply harms the Multistakeholder Process. As discussed extensively on the RPM PDP WG list, the original GNSO committees worked long and hard and carefully balanced the rights of those seeking trademark protection and those seeking to register domain
names in New gTLDs. Allowing into the Trademark Clearinghouse new types of entries is a decision for this Working Group, but not for Deloitte or ICANN Staff.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Second, these subsections allow a level of interpretation and discretion never intended for the Trademark Clearinghouse
Provider. Through Section 3.2.3 and 3.2.4, Deloitte is engaged in a new function of discretion, interpretation and choice – one without rules, guidance and oversight by ICANN and ICANN Community. Ultimately, we don’t even understand what is being accepted
(and Deloitte would not tell us).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Third, these subsections (3.2.2 and 3.2.4) harm all of those seeking to register domain names, in good faith for their
new groups, companies, goods, services, hobbies, speech, research and education. Absent a trademark right of precedence, all other domain names should be open and available to the world to register. That was the promise of the New gTLD Program.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The WG has an oversight obligation to ensure the rules adopted by the Community are followed. We can ensure that subcategories
3.2.3 and 3.2.4 are allowed <b>only to the extent they are registered trademarks</b>. Alternatively, the Working Group
<b>by consensus</b> may CHANGE the rules and present to the GNSO Council and the ICANN Board a new set of standards by which Deloitte (or any future TMCH provider) may review and accept these subcategories of marks.
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