<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Jonathan and all,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Replies in-line.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail-m_57724392294077442m_1405561697634392543m_-368274054986279928gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><p style="font-size:12.8px;text-indent:0in"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Jonathan Agmon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_57724392294077442_m_1405561697634392543_m_-368274054986279928_m_3615208119117154269__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Greg,<u></u><u></u></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">When I used the word “mark”, I didn’t mean “trademark”. </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Thanks, that's very helpful. That clarifies that when you are referring to GI as "word marks," you do not mean that GIs are "trademarks." Since the TMCH is a Trademark Clearinghouse, and GI "word marks" are not trademarks, then they do not belong in the Trademark Clearinghouse. That would seem to close the discussion.</div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_57724392294077442m_1405561697634392543m_-368274054986279928gmail-m_3615208119117154269WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I was making a distinction between a “mark” and a “trade mark” because I was trying to state that various
forms of indicators can become trademarks. </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It may be that various forms of indicators (e.g., GIs, trade names, fictitious names, corporate names) can "become" trademarks, but until they "are" trademarks, they are not trademarks. As the first sentence of your email states, GI word marks are not trademarks, so until a particular GI becomes a trademark, it is not a trademark.</div></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_57724392294077442m_1405561697634392543m_-368274054986279928gmail-m_3615208119117154269WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thus, the term “mark” is not reserved to trademarks, unless it is applied in the legal sense. If it is applied in the legal sense it is synonymous with the word “sign”.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">What is your basis for this? In any event, you seem to be saying that when "mark" is applied in the <u>legal</u> sense (which is probably the primary sense we should be concerned about in a discussion about legal rights), it <i>is </i>reserved for trademarks. If that is the case, however, I do not see how "mark" would be synonymous with the "sign" since the word "sign" is not synonymous with the word "trademark". Of course, terminology is not exactly settled on a worldwide basis, but at least within any system, there is typically an internal logic. In any event, semantics is (are?) less important than understanding the logic of classifications of IP.</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_57724392294077442m_1405561697634392543m_-368274054986279928gmail-m_3615208119117154269WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">WIPO’s use of the word “sign” with respect to GIs should not be an indication that WIPO specifically wished to exclude “marks” from this definition </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">You may be right that the use of the word "sign" is not an indicator of WIPO's views. No matter. A better indicator of WIPO's views can be found at <a href="http://www.wipo.int/about-ip/en/" target="_blank">http://www.wipo.int/about-ip/e<wbr>n/</a> where WIPO separately explains each of the following distinct types of intellectual property: (1) copyrights, (2) patents, (3) trademarks, (4) industrial designs and (5) geographical indications.</div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_57724392294077442m_1405561697634392543m_-368274054986279928gmail-m_3615208119117154269WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">because some
other (non-US) legal systems define a trademark as a “sign” capable of distinguishing goods (or services) of one undertaking from those of other undertakings. See UK’s Trade Marks Act, 1994, s. 1. Under the UK TM Act GIS are collective trademarks. It states
that: “a collective mark may be registered which consists of signs or indications which may serve, in trade, to designate the geographical origin of the goods or services.”</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'm not admitted in the UK, but my reading is that, as in the US, GIs can be protected as collective trademarks when they meet the requirements for collective trademarks -- not that GIs are collective marks as a general rule. Notably, the quote (from <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/26/schedule/1">Schedule 1</a> to the Trade Marks Act of 1994) leaves out the first clause, which indicates that this is an exception to the general rule (under <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1994/26/section/3">Section 3</a> of the Act, "</span><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Absolute grounds for refusal of registration") that "</font><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">(1) The following shall not be registered ... </span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">(c) trade marks which consist exclusively of signs or indications which may serve, in trade, to designate the ... geographical origin ... of goods or services." </span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As a matter of fact, most GIs are not collective marks, which are defined in Schedule 1 to the Trademarks Act as follows:</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">"In relation to a collective mark the reference in section 1(1) (signs of which a trade mark may consist) to distinguishing goods or services of one undertaking from those of other undertakings shall be construed as a reference to distinguishing goods or services of members of the association which is the proprietor of the mark from those of other undertakings."</font><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_57724392294077442m_1405561697634392543m_-368274054986279928gmail-m_3615208119117154269WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I think that the rest of the discussion is not relevant to my point, because I am advocating the we should allow GI that have been registered into the TMCH because
they are signs capable of disguising goods of one undertaking from those of other undertakings.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">As noted above, GIs do not distinguish goods of one undertaking from those of other undertakings. They perform a different role. The <a href="https://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/31bis_trips_04b_e.htm#3">TRIPS definition</a> is as good as any: "Geographical indications are, for the purposes of this Agreement, indications which identify a good as originating in the territory of a Member, or a region or locality in that territory, where a given quality, reputation or other characteristic of the good is essentially attributable to its geographical origin."</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_57724392294077442m_1405561697634392543m_-368274054986279928gmail-m_3615208119117154269WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Assuming we agree to have GIs that are registered in a national trademark registry into the TMCH, why do you object to having the same signs that are registered
in a national GI registry into the TMCH?</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Because "<font color="#000000">signs that are registered in a national GI registry" are not trademarks.</font></font><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:14.6667px"> </span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_57724392294077442m_1405561697634392543m_-368274054986279928gmail-m_3615208119117154269WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks, </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">You're welcome.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_57724392294077442m_1405561697634392543m_-368274054986279928gmail-m_3615208119117154269WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Jonathan Agmon <<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">You state:
</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">Claiming that GIs <u>are</u> trademarks (or even "marks") is not something I can support.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">But, GIs are simply word marks.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">No, GIs are not "word marks." That is the point you are trying to prove. Stating it to prove the point is circular. They may be words
(or designs, or combinations of words and designs). If by word "mark," you mean a trademark, then that is not true. If you don't mean a trademark, then what definition of "mark" are you using? I note that WIPO, in defining GIs, uses "sign" and not "mark".
GIs may be words, and they may signify something, but they are not trademarks, unless and until they are registered as trademarks. Using the word "mark" to refer to both "trademarks" and "not trademarks" essentially strips it of meaning.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,32,96)">PARMA is a word mark, is it not?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">It is not. PARMA is a word. It is not
<i>per se</i> a word mark. Whether it's a "word mark" depends on whether it is registered as a trademark (putting aside "common law" marks, since they are generally not accepted into the TMCH unless they are "court-validated"). If it is used in a way that
qualifies as a trademark under the trademark laws of a particular jurisdiction as a trademark of some sort, and it is registered as a trademark, then it is a trademark (or a "word mark" if you wish). If it is a GI and it is registered as such, or if it is
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<p class="MsoNormal">And PARMA can (and was) registered as trademarks in the US.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Yes, but that hardly proves your point. Quite the opposite. There are currently seven registrations for PARMA (without any other words)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Five are "standard form" registrations (text without any type of formatting) for PARMA, owned by five different registrants for the following goods and services:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">1.</span><span style="font-size:7pt">
</span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hard wood flooring; Engineered wood flooring; Laminate flooring; Luxury vinyl tile.
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">2.</span><span style="font-size:7pt">
</span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Restaurant and bar services, namely, fine dining restaurant services.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">3.</span><span style="font-size:7pt">
</span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Faucets, shower heads and faucet sets. Towel rings, clothes-drying racks; bath accessories, namely, cup holders, toothbrush holders and soap dishes.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">4.</span><span style="font-size:7pt">
</span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Computer software for use in displaying and printing digital typeface designs and typographic ornaments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">5. Fluid pumps-namely, irrigation and drainage pumps, sewerage and sump pumps, tractor-drawn farm implements-namely, corrugators, crop toppers, and beet cleaners.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">One is a registration for "PARMA!" (with an exclamation point) for "Flavourings and seasonings; Food seasonings; Seasonings."</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">One is a registration for PARMA Plus Design (consisting of the word "PARMA" inside a stylized crown) for "Ham Products." This registration is owned by CONSORZIO DEL PROSCIUTTO DI PARMA ASSOCIATION ITALY Largo
Calamandrei 1/A Parma (PR) ITALY, as a Certification Mark, with the statement: "The certification mark, as used by persons authorized by the certifier, certifies the regional origin of the products and certifies that those products conform to the production
process, size, shape, weight, curing, slicing and packaging requirements promulgated by the certifier." I assume this is the registration you are referring to (particularly since there is no "standard form" registration for PARMA owned by the CONSORZIO DEL
PROSCIUTTO DI PARMA).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The CONSORZIO DEL PROSCIUTTO DI PARMA also owns two other Certification Mark registrations containing the word PARMA: One for PARMA HAM ("Ham" disclaimed) and one for PROSCIUTTO DI PARMA ("Prosciutto" disclaimed).
Both of these are standard form registrations. (</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Notably, there is a registration for PARMA BRAND Plus Design (consisting of the words PARMA BRAND in a circle with a flying eagle clutching a sausage in its talons) ("Brand" disclaimed) for MEAT PRODUCTS-NAMELY,
SAUSAGE, SALAMI, CAPICOLLO, LUNCH MEATS, owned by Parma Sausage Products, Inc. of Pittsburgh, PA. This registration predates all of the registrations owned by the Consorzio. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Interestingly, all three of the Consorzio's applications were refused registration by the USPTO based on the PARMA BRAND Plus Design registration (which at that time included "Prosciutto" among its goods and services).
<b>(For all those talking about "scope of protection" of text + design marks, this is a great example to consider -- the two text-only marks and the PARMA (and Crown) mark were refused registration by PARMA Brand plus a sausage-toting eagle. Clearly the
scope of the PARMA Brand registration extended beyond the context of its design.)
</b> The Consorzio del Prosciutto di Parma and Parma Sausage Products entered into a settlement agreement, whereby Parma Sausage agreed to remove "prosciutto" from its goods and services, which allowed the Consorzio applications to proceed to registration on
the trademark register. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Then, and only then, did the PARMA (and Crown), PARMA HAM and PROSCIUTTO DI PARMA "signs" become trademarks (assuming they were not registered as trademarks elsewhere first). These registrations could be relied
on to register PARMA, PARMA HAM and PROSCIUTTO DI PARMA in the TMCH (noting there is still some disagreement in the WG whether the crown in the PARMA registration somehow disqualifies it from serving as the basis for entry of PARMA into the TMCH).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Of course, each of the first six registrations above could also form the basis for entering PARMA into the TMCH (the sixth by excluding the "!"). None of these are GIs, of course. And the PARMA BRAND registration
could form the basis for entering PARMA BRAND into the TMCH (again noting the disagreement on how such text plus design marks should be handled). This too, is not a GI, even if it used for meat products (but not prosciutto) made in the great city of Pittsburgh,
PA. <a href="https://www.parmasausage.com/" target="_blank">https://www.parmasausage.c<wbr>om/</a></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Hope that helps.</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"> I've attached
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<b>To:</b> Jonathan Agmon <<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> J. Scott Evans <<a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" target="_blank">jsevans@adobe.com</a>>; Massimo <<a href="mailto:Massimo@origin-gi.com" target="_blank">Massimo@origin-gi.com</a>>; J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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GIs are not consistently treated as trademarks, and where they are, it is often because they separately and independently meet the criteria set for trademarks such as certification marks. Claiming that GIs
<u>are</u> trademarks (or even "marks") is not something I can support, based on 30.5 years of practice (as long as we are counting rings on trees, so to speak). Why would GIs go into a trademark database? Mixing GIs and trademarks as if they were indistinguishable
makes no sense. Further, it makes no sense to even discuss any changes to the TMCH, or the establishment of additional databases, until we discuss changes or additions to the RPMs such as Trademark Sunrise and Trademark Claims. A record in the TMCH without
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discussion. Jamming GIs into the TMCH on the theory that GIs are trademarks is not the right way to avoid that discussion. That some GIs are sometimes trademarks in some jurisdictions and sometimes also qualify as trademarks in other jurisdictions is not
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">The EU, as all the other countries having GIs independent system, provides transparent registration systems, with
opposition procedures. So registration is needed in the EU too. Two different views (independent / sui generis systems or trademark), both legitimate at the international level.
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Best, Massimo </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" target="_blank">J. Scott Evans</a></span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Sent: </span></b><span lang="HE" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">29.<span lang="HE"></span>04.<span lang="HE"></span>2017
16:02</span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">To: </span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:Massimo@origin-gi.com" target="_blank">Massimo</a></span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Cc: </span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank">Jonathan Agmon</a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a></span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Subject: </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I stand by my original point. They GI's are not protected consistently. In the US, Parma is not protected without a US trademark registration. Not so in Europe. Two different views
on the scope of rights.<br>
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On Apr 29, 2017, at 6:58 AM, Massimo <<a href="mailto:Massimo@origin-gi.com" target="_blank">Massimo@origin-gi.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">The disagreement concerns whether to protect GIs via an independent system or via trademarks, but not the GI concept
itself. But for the time being countries can choose their system, and their choice is legitimate.
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An example: prosciutto di Parma is a GI in the EU. As the product is exported in the US, the association of producers owns now a certification mark there for exactly the same name. So Prosciutto di Parma can be for sure in the TMCH.<br>
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But if that product was exported only within Europe or the Asian countries I mentioned in an earlier email having independent GI systems (so no certification mark on the same name was available), do not you think that being excluded from the TMCH (as well as
from dispute resolution) would have been discriminatory? <br>
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Again, I think we should spend more time on those issues rather than rushing to a conclusion which might not reflect the existing situation.
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Sent: </span></b><span lang="HE" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">29.<span lang="HE"></span>04.<span lang="HE"></span>2017
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">To: </span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:Massimo@origin-gi.com" target="_blank">Massimo</a></span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Cc: </span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank">Jonathan Agmon</a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a></span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I spoke directly with representatives from the USPTO and I also understand USPTO representatives attended the meeting at n Copenhagen. Based on my discussions with the USPTO, I
disagree that there is universal treatment of GI's that are not registered as trademarks. In fact, I know that the scope of protection for GI's has been a thorny issue in international trade negotiations since at least the 1930's. It has s not a settled point
by any means.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Hi, I was trying to show that luck of understanding about GIs does not exist any more as the large majority of countries
have specific laws with transparent registration processes. There is not divergence at all in terms of definition of the GI concept and obligation to protect that IPR concept (TRIPs Agreement). The WG should make proposals that reflect the current legal
and economic reality. <br>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg</a></span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Sent: </span></b><span lang="HE" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">29.<span lang="HE"></span>04.<span lang="HE"></span>2017
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">To: </span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank">Jonathan Agmon</a></span><br>
<b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Cc: </span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a></span><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I disagree. I was on the IRT. GI's were never discussed. It is precisely because there is no universal understanding or treatment of GI's that only those GI's that are"marks" aka
"trademarks" should be allowed in the TMCH. Paul Mc's proposal is the correct Avenue to address this over inclusiveness.<br>
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On Apr 28, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Jonathan Agmon <<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Paul,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I am not sure about the broad alignment, especially not outside the US. There are differing opinions
on the issue. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I still disagree with you basic understanding of GIs. GIs are marks as they are comprised of text words.
GIs are trademarks when they denote the source of goods. They can be registered in national trademark registries. The only difference between the US and other countries is where they are registered. This is not a basis for exclusion from the TMCH. In most
countries of the world GI registration is performed in the trademark registry (GI section) or in a specialized GI registry.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Since the TMCH is a very important protection rights protection mechanism, available to brand owners,
and in most countries of the world, the general view is that GIs are a type of trademarks, I make the following alternative proposal:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">“GIs comprise of word marks. When registered, GIs serve as collective trademarks. If a GI is the subject of a national trademark registration, or a national GI registration, it could
have been, in the past, and may be included, in the future in, the TMCH. For any GIs that are not the subject of a national trademark or GI registration, or otherwise qualified for registration under the Trademark Clearinghouse Guidelines, at the time of
registration, which are currently registered in the TMCH, such GIs should not be renewed in the TMCH upon expiration.”<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Finally, please note that my time zone is UTC+8.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@ic<wbr>ann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>icannlists<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 28, 2017 9:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>>; Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>; icannlists <<a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com" target="_blank">icannlists@winston.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for Working Group call this week</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks Claudio.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">You aren’t missing anything. The fact that the co-chairs didn’t dismiss outright the request of a
few to dig a bit deeper before moving on isn’t unusual. It is very ICANN. However, that doesn’t change the reality that there appears to be broad alignment across all sorts of the usual lines that GIs, unless they are also registered trademarks, should not
be included in the <b><u>Trademark</u></b> Clearinghouse. Further, as of now, there is no proposal in the record to the contrary, although I do note that Jonathan A. indicated that he may submit one.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I hope you are well. It is good to see you actively participating in an ICANN WG again! Welcome back.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Paul</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> claudio di gangi [</span><a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 28, 2017 1:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mary Wong <</span><a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">mary.wong@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">>;
</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">; icannlists <</span><a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">icannlists@winston.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for Working Group call this week</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Paul.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I listened to that part of the call again, and after the presentation of the proposal, Phil took comments from George, Greg, and Jonathan (all provided input/ideas about ways GIs
could be protected) and there was a request for staff to obtain more background on the 'marks protected by statute or treaty' language.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There didn't seem to be a conclusion, hence my earlier email about next steps.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know if I missing something.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 2:09 PM icannlists <<a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com" target="_blank">icannlists@winston.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks Claudio. However, after the last WG call I thought we had reached the opposite conclusion that
there was little or no interest in taking up the GIs issue at this time. Jonathan A. thought he might put forward a third proposal on GIs, but I haven’t seen that yet on this (or at least I don’t think I have).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Paul</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">
</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> [mailto:</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@ic<wbr>ann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>claudio di gangi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 28, 2017 12:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mary Wong <</span><a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">mary.wong@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">>;
</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for Working Group call this week</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mary, all,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just recently joined the WG, so I'm reading the listserve to get caught up to speed. It's been very helpful and informative to review all the contributions.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">An initial question: is a work plan being established for addressing issues that were discussed on Wednesday's call? <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For example, on Paul and Kathy's proposal related to GIs - I think the group has identified a good issue worthy of further analysis, e.g. should GIs be protected against registration
abuse, as a consumer safeguard in new gTLDs?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If that approach is supported by the analysis, they could be registered in the limited registration period that is currently described in the Applicant Guidebook, that takes place
following the Sunrise period, supported by the Clearinghouse or an ancillary database.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On the basis that further analysis of this topic would be helpful to inform WG deliberations, where should it take place - on the Sunrise subteam or somewhere else?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm looking forward to working with everyone on the team.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 2:42 PM Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Dear all,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">The proposed agenda for our call this Thursday at 0300 UTC (reminder: Wednesday evening/night for those in the Americas) is as follows; please also
see the Notes that are included below:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">1.</span><span style="font-size:7pt"> </span>
<span style="font-size:11pt">Roll call (via Adobe Connect and phone bridge only); updates to Statements of Interest</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">2.</span><span style="font-size:7pt"> </span>
<span style="font-size:11pt">Report on progress and status updates from the co-chairs of the Sunrise and Claims Notice Sub Teams (Lori Schulman, Kristine Dorrain & Michael Graham) – 5 minutes for each Sub Team update</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">3.</span><span style="font-size:7pt"> </span>
<span style="font-size:11pt">Discuss consolidated table of proposals received on TMCH Open Questions 7, 8 and 10 (see Notes below)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">4.</span><span style="font-size:7pt"> </span>
<span style="font-size:11pt">Notice of deadline for further follow up questions to the Analysis Group</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">5.</span><span style="font-size:7pt"> </span>
<span style="font-size:11pt">Next steps/next meeting</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">Notes:</span></b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"courier new"">o</span><span style="font-size:7pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11pt">For <u>Agenda Item #2</u>, the composition, meeting transcripts and current work status of each of the two Sub Teams can be viewed at their respective wiki pages:
</span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fx%2FmsrRAw&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7347c4562ec2456efb8208d48eb0f556%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636290338068704072&sdata=LV2xP0GxXnJT%2Fysb%2BD07uiVkoTLxZsxFmJtHHuZWZt0%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt">https://community.icann.org/x/<wbr>msrRAw</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt">
(Sunrise) and </span><a href="https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.icann.org%2Fx%2FpsrRAw&data=02%7C01%7C%7C7347c4562ec2456efb8208d48eb0f556%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636290338068704072&sdata=ih36xR7dPVctsC1ywARSru6xVfE4VWIY9owrvj%2Fkxww%3D&reserved=0" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt">https://community.icann.org/x/<wbr>psrRAw</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt">
(Claims).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11pt">For <u>Agenda Item #3</u>, please review the first attached document. This is the tabular form of all proposals received to date on the three open TMCH questions (Questions 7, 8 and 10) as of the 19 April deadline. Staff
has not edited the language of the proposals received, although we have formatted them to some extent to enable easier reading, and we have also separated out accompanying rationale and context (where this was provided) and pasted these into a second table
(starting on Page 7).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">For your reference, we are also attaching a second document, which is a compilation of other proposals received so far. Please note that these proposals
are being circulated for your information only, and will <u>not</u> be discussed at this time as they concern topics that have either been deferred or that have to do with Sunrise and/or Claims. The co-chairs may refer these to the Sub Teams, but only for
the specific purpose of seeing if the subjects have been covered by existing Charter questions, or if they can be helpful in refining the existing Charter questions.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Finally, the co-chairs and staff are aware that Working Group members have requested that agendas and documents be circulated as much in advance of
the minimum 24-hour deadline as possible. We were not able to comply with that request this week due to a personal situation for one of the co-chairs; however, going forward, the co-chairs plan to meet with staff every Friday to ensure that agendas and, if
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