<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Jonathan,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I expect we might disagree on the last sentence, which is "No." As for the day job, I believe you are not alone in that regard.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">In any event, i don't think the issue whether you disagree with my conclusion or my analysis (which is in other emails, which I respectfully believe have already "centralized" the discussion. I assume you have read those as well). Rather, I think the issue is whether the Working Group needs to continue this discussion in order to come to broad agreement on the issue. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I'll leave it to the Co-Chairs to decide when and whether to bring the discussion to a close. However, I would observe that any position that finds me, Paul McGrady, Brian Winterfeldt, Paul Keating and Jeremy Malcolm in agreement can fairly be characterized as "broad agreement."</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Best regards,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><p style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></p><div><p style="text-indent:0in"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><a name="UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter__GoBack"></a></span><b style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#002e62">Greg
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:27 AM, Jonathan Agmon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Greg, we are in disagreement on the last sentence, but I have a day job so I will respond later today to your previous post to try and centralize
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<b>Cc:</b> icannlists <<a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com" target="_blank">icannlists@winston.com</a>>; J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><span class=""><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Jonathan has clarified that the idea of a GICH, GI Sunrise or GI Claims is not before us in this Working Group.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The question then is simply whether GIs as such (and not only when they are protected under trademark law as trademarks) should be included in Trademark Sunrise, Trademark Claims
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Since it's clear that GIs are not in fact (either under US law or generally), a "subset" of trademarks, I think the answer to the question is simple.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jonathan Agmon <</span><a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</span></a><span lang="EN-US">> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The USPTO classifies GIs as a subset of trademarks. Most other countries on the planet view them similarly as an indication of source of goods and they are registered
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">What I stated was that GIs registered in both national trademark registry and national GI registry should enter the TMCH. No more, no less; or as some of the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">The fact that you disagree that GIs can serve and do serve as trademarks is your own view and opinion, which you are mostly certainly entitled thereto. Thus,
if you want to go ahead and suggest an alternative proposal to mine which recommends working on a GICH or other Claims/Sunrise processes, please go ahead. Otherwise, kindly don't artificially amend my proposal to include in it language I did not put in.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">You have Jonathan. Under current policy as implemented by the Board in the AGB, we don’t
currently have a clearinghouse mechanism to hold GIs that are not also registered as trademarks nor do we have any Sunrise-like or Claims-like mechanisms to use any future GI data that may be lodged in a GICH. The TMCH took months to develop and so would
a GICH. I see no reason to assume that GIs should automatically co-reside with trademarks in the TMCH nor any reason to assume that the parameters of any Claims or Sunrises based on GI data would be co-extensive with TM Claims and Sunrise. If this GIs issue
persists, i.e. we do anything with it other than a recommendation asking the GNSO Council to ask the Board to tell the TMCH operator to stop letting GIs in and retire the ones they have let in, we will be developing new policy (not insisting on accurate implementation
of old policy) and thus starting from scratch to address it. Any effort to develop new RPMs will add months (years?) to this process.</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 30, 2017 8:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jeremy Malcolm <</span><a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">jmalcolm@eff.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg <</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for Working Group call this week</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Who suggested "</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">that a separate GICH be built along with GISunrise and GIClaims"?</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> 30 April 2017 20:00</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks Jeremy. I think the problem came up because the TMCH operator has let a few in
under an assumption, even though no one can find any guidance in the GNSO Policy, IRT Recommendations, STI Report, Board Resolutions or the AGB supporting the notion. If this group doesn’t affirmatively say “stop that” then presumably the TMCH operator will
keep doing it and more GIs will get in. So, unless we are happy with the status quo where the TMCH operator is letting in things no one intended to be let in, I think we have to address the issue.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Even so, there are those on the list who want GIs to be welcome into the TMCH or that
a separate GICH be built along with GISunrise and GIClaims. While these things are not necessary off-charter, such activities could easily add a year or more to this PDP. That is not my favorite outcome.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeremy Malcolm<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 29, 2017 8:22 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">On 29/4/17 6:32 am, Jonathan Agmon wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The USPTO is in the US. Perhaps the EPO's and many other Trademark Offices' positions is also relevant. My point, which I feel I am not getting through, is that the US positron is not the only one.
Nearly every country on the planet has some laws relating to GI protection and I am arguing most of them view them as a form of trademarks. I don't see the reason why not to include a registered GI in the TMCH. They are after all trademarks, when registered.
Can you help me out here to understand your objection and the reasons for it? If others (non US countries) see GIs as trademarks and allow them to be registered, why exclude them?</span><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Forgive my ignorance, has this discussion happened elsewhere? The proposition that GIs should be recognized alongside trademarks in the DNS is surely a far bigger one than the RPMs working group. Not the kind of thing that we could just slip in as an assumption.
I for one would certainly have a lot more to say about the merits of recognizing GIs in the DNS, if that were our discussion. But I doubt it's a discussion for this working group.<br>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Public key: </span><a href="https://www.eff.org/files/2016/11/27/key_jmalcolm.txt" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US">https://www.eff.org/files/<wbr>2016/11/27/key_jmalcolm.txt</span></a><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">PGP fingerprint: 75D2 4C0D 35EA EA2F 8CA8 8F79 4911 EC4A EDDF 1122<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
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