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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">@Paul: I am curious – and forgive me if this has been asked and answered before – but if the database were made available, how do
you believe it would demonstrate that your belief is true? What is it exactly that you think you would discover there that cannot be gleaned from other public information?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 29, 2017 6:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> J. Scott Evans <jsevans@adobe.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for Working Group call this week<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps but it's existence and use present very powerful mechanisms that are applied to grant trademark holders an unprecedented preemptive right to register domain names based upon the database notwithstanding and without regard to any
limitations inherent in the trademark at issue. Such a right has no basis in any law. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The program was created for a purpose. My position is That it is not fit for purpose. I believe <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> it is being abused and have asked for openness in the database to determine if that belief is supported. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> It is not an appropriate balanced approach to the problem<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> Other less intrusive solutions to the problem now exist or can be created. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am in favor of exploring this. The opposition seems bent on resistance because they do y want to give up the benefit of the TMCH even though not legally supportable. <o:p></o:p></p>
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On Apr 29, 2017, at 2:57 PM, J. Scott Evans <<a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com">jsevans@adobe.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A common misconception. The TMCH is a database. Nothing more. It is a database used to facilitate two RPM's: Sunrise and TM Claims.<br>
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On Apr 29, 2017, at 5:28 AM, icannlists <<a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com">icannlists@winston.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks Jonathan:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Taking each in turn:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Take a look at the About section of the TMCH. This is what they write.
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Marketing materials do not override community consensus. The long and detailed work beginning with
the IRT, through the STI, to the Board, and finally in the AGB make it clear that the TMCH is a database, not an RPM. I can compile my trademarks in a database all day and it won’t do squat on its own. If it could do something on its own, the publicly accessible
USPTO database would have been sufficient and we would not have built the TMCH in the first place.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">And I disagree that the TMCH has to do with
<i><u>carefully selected</u></i> trademarks. That's not correct either. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Well, my clients carefully selected what they put in there. It wasn’t cheap. Perhaps you work with clients who weren’t careful about what they lodged. Perhaps I
misspoke. If you have any good leads on clients with enough money to lodge trademarks in the TMCH with wild abandon, please pass them along!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i>nothing more</i> is also incorrect. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">How so? What else is the TMCH doing except accepting and validating trademarks (carefully or indiscriminately, depending on the client base) lodged by their owners
and providing that data when the actual RPMs (Sunrise and Claims) require the data?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Jonathan Agmon [<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal">mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 29, 2017 7:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>>; Jonathan Agmon <<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</a>>; icannlists <<a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com">icannlists@winston.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> icannlists <<a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com">icannlists@winston.com</a>>; claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>>; Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>>; J. Scott
Evans via gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for Working Group call this week</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">And I disagree that the TMCH has to do with
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have to agree with Paul K. here. The TMCH is not a rights protection mechanism. It is a database containing carefully selected trademark records as lodged
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paul Keating [<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">mailto:paul@law.es</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 29, 2017 4:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jonathan Agmon <<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> icannlists <<a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com">icannlists@winston.com</a>>; claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>>; Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org">mary.wong@icann.org</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for Working Group call this week</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Since the TMCH is a very important protection rights protection mechanism, available to brand owners, and in most countries of the world, the general view is that GIs are a type of trademarks, I make the following alternative proposal:"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Not to pester a point but when we were arguing to make the TMCH public Or as an alternative to allow this WG to access certain parts of it we were told the opposite. <br>
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On Apr 29, 2017, at 5:36 AM, Jonathan Agmon <<a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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