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</span><span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; font-size:11pt"><a href="mailto:Massimo@origin-gi.com">Massimo Vittori</a>;
<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">Greg Shatan</a>; <a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal">
Jonathan Agmon</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg</a></span><br>
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<div>I don’t really understand whose benefit would it be making changes to TMCH on GIs… Surely not of right holders and consumers.
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<div class="">Only because there is different approaches to their protection (however there is a common starting point: the TRIPs Agreement to which all WTO Member States adhere), it is not a reason to do such kind of limitation and excluding a part of the
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<div class="">If a step ahead was made, why should we make a step behind?</div>
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<div class="">Il giorno 02 mag 2017, alle ore 17:11, J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class="">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>> ha scritto:</div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">As I stated earlier, you are correct. As originally conceived the Clearinghouse was to be a database and verification for all kinds of IP rights. It was our concept that by having a centralized database,
this would allow registries in certain countries to protect IP that was recognized in their home country. For example, a German registry could offer protection for book titles which are IP in Germany. However, through the STI process and several iterations
of the Applicant Guidebook responding to community input, that concept was discarded and the Clearinghouse was limited to registered trademarks or unregistered trademarks that had been recognized by a court of competent jurisdiction and trademarks protected
by statute or treaty. Not GIs.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></div>
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">Massimo Vittori <<a href="mailto:Massimo@origin-gi.com" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">Massimo@origin-gi.com</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 7:06 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"J. Scott Evans" <<a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">jsevans@adobe.com</a>>, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>,
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<b class="">Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br class="">
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<span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial">J. Scott, we agree on the introduction, but not on the conclusion, as I would like to have a more in depth discussion on the inclusion of GIs in the TMCH.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial">To follow-up on the historical context sent by Mary on 25 April, I note that the IRT report states:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">“Most pre-launch RPMs have focused on registered
trademark rights of national or multi-national effect. Whilst it is expected that the IP Clearinghouse will predominantly feature data on such rights, some registry operators may opt to include as eligible for their pre-launch RPM other types of rights, such
as unregistered trademarks, company names, trading names, designations of origin, geographical names, family and personal names, etc. Therefore, the IRT recommends that the IP Clearinghouse should be structured so that it can accommodate a panoply of such
rights even if they are applicable to only a small number of registries.”</i></span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:10pt; font-family:Arial">I would like to discuss the rationale behind this.</span></div>
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>J. Scott Evans [<a href="mailto:jsevans@adobe.com" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">mailto:jsevans@adobe.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>02 May 2017 14:57<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Massimo Vittori <<a href="mailto:Massimo@origin-gi.com" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">Massimo@origin-gi.com</a>>; Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>;
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<b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>J. Scott Evans via gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br class="">
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">I think Massimo has hit on the correct perspective. The protection mechanism for GIs is not consistent. Given this reality, the TMCH should (at this stage at least) only include those GIs that are also
registered trademarks. I hereby again support Paul McGrady’s proposal.</span></div>
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri"><</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">>
on behalf of Massimo <</span><a href="mailto:Massimo@origin-gi.com" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">Massimo@origin-gi.com</span></a><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">><br class="">
<b class="">Date:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Monday, May 1, 2017 at 11:49 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Greg Shatan <</span><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">>,
Jonathan Agmon <</span><a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</span></a><span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">><br class="">
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<b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for Working Group call this week</span></div>
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my point is not whether GIs are equivalent to trademarks. The crucial issue is another: As part of the TRIPs agreement, every country in the world should protect GIs (no obligations as to the system to do so, but still obligation to give protection). There
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I would like to discuss the practical problems, if any, to recognize this is the TMCH and beyond. As someone mentioned, this might take longer to analyze within the WG, but I think it is worth embarking on such discussion.<br class="">
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If they get recognition, GIs can be an opportunity and increase the use of new gTLDs by a multitude of actors around the world.<br class="">
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">Greg
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for Working Group call this
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<span class="" style="font-family:Verdana">First, the document you rely on is clearly a document specifically written in the context of TRIPS. It is not "the USPTO's position on GIs." TRIPS<u class="">separately</u><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>classifies
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<span class="" style="font-family:Verdana">(This also answers your question to Paul McGrady regarding which treaties have differing treatment of GIs and trademarks).</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Verdana">Second, this document was created in the specific context of a TRIPS-related trade dispute, where the EU contended that the US had failed to satisfy the TRIPS requirement that the US provide some form of protection
to GIs. As a result, the USPTO needed to demonstrate that it was satisfying the TRIPS requirement, by showing that it was possible to protect GIs in the US in some fashion -- i.e., under trademark law. As the document states regarding the use of trademark
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<span class="" style="font-family:Verdana">Third, reading the document as a whole, it's the position of the USPTO is that GIs may be protected through trademark law, as the United States does, and therefore<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i class="">for
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<span class="" style="font-family:Verdana">As such, it is clear that the US position is that GIs can only be protected under US law to the extent that they meet the existing standards for trademarks (including, when applicable, certification marks or collective
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<span class="" style="font-family:Verdana">None of this supports the proposition that non-trademarks (and GIs are "non-trademarks" unless and until they are afforded trademark protection under trademark laws) should be introduced into the TMCH.</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri; color:rgb(31,73,125)">There is no agreement that all GIs are a subset of trademarks. If a GI is registered as a trademark under a national law, then it is welcome in the TMCH. My proposal makes that
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri; color:rgb(31,73,125)">What you are proposing is not that. You are proposing that all GIs be treated as trademarks even if they are not registered as trademarks under a national law. There is no broad
international consensus on this point (as evidenced by the divide within the IPC itself which is playing out on the larger PDP WG list). Further, there is zero current policy within ICANN allowing for GIs which are not otherwise registered as trademarks under
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jonathan Agmon [</span><a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
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If the proposal only allows GIs registered in national trademark registers or their GI alternative, what different implementation you think is required aside from clarifying to the TMCH that it can record registered GIs because they are a subset of trademarks,
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I fail to see the issue when the changes discussed in relation to other questions on the charter seem more far reaching and complicated. </div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri; color:rgb(31,73,125)">I’m not artificially amending anything. You are proposing a policy change. In ICANNland, Policy changes are always followed by implementation and, generally speaking, the PDP
WG should send some signals about possible implementation along with the proposed policy. There is no such thing as suggesting a sweeping change to Policy like you are proposing, without also building out what that would look like. If you are proposing a
policy change with no thought to how it will be implemented, I think most of us who have been around ICANN awhile will tell you that won’t fly.</span></div>
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jonathan Agmon [</span><a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, April 30, 2017 8:41 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>icannlists <</span><a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com" target="_blank" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">icannlists@winston.com</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">><br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeremy Malcolm <</span><a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">jmalcolm@eff.org</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">>;
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I most certainly have not.</div>
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The USPTO classifies GIs as a subset of trademarks. Most other countries on the planet view them similarly as an indication of source of goods and they are registered in either national trademark registries or specific GI registries.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div>
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What I stated was that GIs registered in both national trademark registry and national GI registry should enter the TMCH. No more, no less; or as some of the other colleagues on the list would put it – period.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span class="" style="font-family:Wingdings">J</span></div>
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The fact that you disagree that GIs can serve and do serve as trademarks is your own view and opinion, which you are mostly certainly entitled thereto. Thus, if you want to go ahead and suggest an alternative proposal to mine which recommends working on a GICH
or other Claims/Sunrise processes, please go ahead. Otherwise, kindly don't artificially amend my proposal to include in it language I did not put in.</div>
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On 1 May 2017, at 4:01, icannlists <<a href="mailto:icannlists@winston.com" target="_blank" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline">icannlists@winston.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri; color:rgb(31,73,125)">You have Jonathan. Under current policy as implemented by the Board in the AGB, we don’t currently have a clearinghouse mechanism to hold GIs that are not also registered as trademarks
nor do we have any Sunrise-like or Claims-like mechanisms to use any future GI data that may be lodged in a GICH. The TMCH took months to develop and so would a GICH. I see no reason to assume that GIs should automatically co-reside with trademarks in the
TMCH nor any reason to assume that the parameters of any Claims or Sunrises based on GI data would be co-extensive with TM Claims and Sunrise. If this GIs issue persists, i.e. we do anything with it other than a recommendation asking the GNSO Council to ask
the Board to tell the TMCH operator to stop letting GIs in and retire the ones they have let in, we will be developing new policy (not insisting on accurate implementation of old policy) and thus starting from scratch to address it. Any effort to develop
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jonathan Agmon [</span><a href="mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal" target="_blank" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">mailto:jonathan.agmon@ip-law.legal</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, April 30, 2017 8:55 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jeremy Malcolm <</span><a href="mailto:jmalcolm@eff.org" target="_blank" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">jmalcolm@eff.org</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">>;
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and documents for Working Group call this week</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">Who suggested "</span><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">that a separate GICH be built along with GISunrise and GIClaims"?</span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks Jeremy. I think the problem came up because the TMCH operator has let a few in under an assumption, even though no one can find any guidance in the GNSO Policy, IRT Recommendations,
STI Report, Board Resolutions or the AGB supporting the notion. If this group doesn’t affirmatively say “stop that” then presumably the TMCH operator will keep doing it and more GIs will get in. So, unless we are happy with the status quo where the TMCH
operator is letting in things no one intended to be let in, I think we have to address the issue. </span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri; color:rgb(31,73,125)">Even so, there are those on the list who want GIs to be welcome into the TMCH or that a separate GICH be built along with GISunrise and GIClaims. While these things are not necessary
off-charter, such activities could easily add a year or more to this PDP. That is not my favorite outcome. </span></div>
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<b class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[</span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank" class="" style="color:purple; text-decoration:underline"><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri">]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On
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On 29/4/17 6:32 am, Jonathan Agmon wrote:</p>
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<span class="" style="font-family:Calibri">The USPTO is in the US. Perhaps the EPO's and many other Trademark Offices' positions is also relevant. My point, which I feel I am not getting through, is that the US positron is not the only one. Nearly every country
on the planet has some laws relating to GI protection and I am arguing most of them view them as a form of trademarks. I don't see the reason why not to include a registered GI in the TMCH. They are after all trademarks, when registered. Can you help me out
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Forgive my ignorance, has this discussion happened elsewhere? The proposition that GIs should be recognized alongside trademarks in the DNS is surely a far bigger one than the RPMs working group. Not the kind of thing that we could just slip in as an assumption.
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