<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Claudio,</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Perhaps i am tired but im not sure i see a response to Kristine's question. Can you help me better understand ur point? <br><br>Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 18 May 2017, at 22:20, claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Kristine,</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Thank you, I think these are great questions. I provided a response below for your consideration. Also, Jonathan and Massimo are extremely well-versed in GIs, and they may be able to address any gaps in my analysis. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">According to the TMCH Guidelines, </span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><a href="http://www.trademark-clearinghouse.com/sites/default/files/files/downloads/TMCH%20guidelines%20v1.0%20_1.pdf">http://www.trademark-clearinghouse.com/sites/default/files/files/downloads/TMCH%20guidelines%20v1.0%20_1.pdf</a> </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">the following types of marks are eligible: </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">(see p.7 of the TMCH Guidelines).</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">"The following are not considered registered trademarks but might be eligible for inclusion in the Clearinghouse under another type of trademark: </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><ul><li>Well-known or famous trademarks, unless they are also registered; <br></li></ul></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><ul><li>Unregistered (including common law) trademark; <br></li></ul></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><ul><li>Court-validated marks; <br></li></ul></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><ul><li>Marks protected under statute or treaty; <br></li></ul></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><ul><li>Other marks that constitute intellectual property"<br></li></ul></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">In the United States, GIs are protected as a type of trademark. Specifically, they are afforded protection as a "certification mark". Since</span><span style="font-size:12.8px"> the GI is registered as a "certification mark" in the U.S., the owner of the mark is not allowed to use it in commerce, but licenses the mark for use by producers and distributors. </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">As a GI, the sign is used in commerce to certify that the goods associated with the mark originate in a particular location, and because of the characteristics of that location, the goods have a certain reputation for quality. </span><span style="font-size:12.8px">As a certification mark, the mark can be recorded in the TMCH and is eligible for protection in both Sunrise and Claims.</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">In other countries, GIs are protected based on national (or multi-national) laws that create a 'sui generis' system of protection for these types of signs. This is a special form of protection; "sui genris" from Latin, means "of its own kind". <span style="font-size:12.8px">In these countries, GIs are registered on a separate registry within the trademark office.</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">The fundamental issue is the following:</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">What is the rationale for protecting GIs in new gTLDs, when the GI is registered as a "certification mark" in the United States, but it is denied protection when the GI is registered in another country <span style="font-size:12.8px">under a national law specifically for these types of signs? T</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">he GI is serving the same commercial function (as described above) within the country, whether it is registered as a certification mark or registered on the GI registry.</span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I hope you find this explanation helpful. Please let me know of any questions/comments.</span><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Best regards,</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Claudio</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 11:06 AM, Dorrain, Kristine <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dorraink@amazon.com" target="_blank">dorraink@amazon.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">There are several types of rights not recorded in the TMCH. This was part of the balance that was stuck when the TMCH/Sunrise/Claims was formed. We don’t let
in: common law marks, purely figurative marks, and non-registered GIs. The DB is for *<b>registered</b>* marks.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Is there a particular harm that you think companies with unregistered GIs face that other companies with other sorts of unregistered (or common law) marks aren’t
facing? Not everyone gets in. We know this. Anyone with an unregistered mark (GI or otherwise) can get in the TMCH by registering their mark.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Can you help me understand why we need special rules for this particular class of mark?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>claudio di gangi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 17, 2017 7:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:amr.elsadr@icann.org" target="_blank">amr.elsadr@icann.org</a>>; Mary Wong <<a href="mailto:mary.wong@icann.org" target="_blank">mary.wong@icann.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items from Review of all RPMs in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Call - 17 May 2017<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For clarification, an important element of the proposal was not to have GIs recorded in the TMCH per se.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Rather, the proposal was to have a subteam consider whether the RPMs, as currently designed, afford protection to all GIs (as some GIs are not registered as TMs in certain jurisdictions), and if not, to consider changes to the RPMs to ensure
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<p class="MsoNormal">If the outcome of that analysis is yes - GIs as a form of IP should be protected in new gTLDs, then a subsequent issue to be determined is whether GIs should be recorded in the TMCH, or an ancillary database maintained by the operator of
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<p class="MsoNormal">So the issue is really about the RPMs and the protection of GIs (namely, those GIs that are not registered as trademarks, but are protected under national laws that do not require their registration on the trademark register).<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">In the case of this particular Action Item, the staff understanding is that we will ask the full Working Group (especially
those members who could not attend the call held earlier today) if they agree that the Working Group will not be considering the question of whether GIs should be included in the TMCH. If that is the general view of the Working Group, then the next step can
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I hope this is helpful. Once the recording and transcript of the call today are available, staff will follow up with
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<b>To: </b>Amr Elsadr <<a href="mailto:amr.elsadr@icann.org" target="_blank">amr.elsadr@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">1. Staff to circulate a call for consensus on the Working Group mailing list regarding the Working Group consideration of proposals to include Geographical
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