<div dir="ltr">Agreed.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">Mike Rodenbaugh</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">RODENBAUGH LAW</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">tel/fax: +1.415.738.8087</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small"><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com" target="_blank">http://rodenbaugh.com</a> </div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Jon Nevett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email" target="_blank">jon@donuts.email</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Phil:<div><br></div><div>It's at least clear, but far from satisfactory. <div><br></div><div>Setting up a sub-group without a direction of scope from the main group -- especially when we know that there is a clear disagreement about the scope issue -- is just unacceptably silly. Anyone who knows ICANN, knows how this is going to end up. We all are going to waste a bunch of cycles and we will just be back in the same place with the same issue. </div><div><br></div><div>Jon</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br><div>
<span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;border-spacing:0px"><div><br class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-interchange-newline"></div></span></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:58 AM, Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div class="m_5172416810445566446WordSection1" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Mike, and other WG members:<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">On last night’s WG call it was agreed to that the co-chairs suggested questions are a strawman and that the subteam is free to adopt, reject, or rewrite any of them, as well as add questions of its own that it believes are relevant to understanding the interrelationship between the mandated RPMs and the additional ones supplied by the marketplace, and to informing our ongoing policy discussion.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Therefore, the starting documents for the subteam will be the co-chairs memo, the markup of same performed by Jon and added to by others, and any email threads from the WG list relating to the subteam’s work. The first order of business for the subteam will be to agree upon the questions it will address. The subteam will be tasked with reporting back to the full WG a refined list of questions along with identified available data and additional data needs. All subsequent discussion related to answering those questions will occur at the full WG level.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I hope that is clear and satisfactory. The subteam is now up to 18 members plus the co-chairs in an ex officio capacity, and interested WG members who have not yet joined the subteam are welcome to do so. We intend to schedule the subteam’s first meeting next week, probably in a Friday time slot.<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best regards, Philip<u></u><u></u></span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif;color:navy">Philip S. 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This WG already has a ton of work to do, and really has barely scratched the surface on its real work. We must not add more to the scope unless mandated by the full GNSO Council.<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Mike<u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Mike Rodenbaugh<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">RODENBAUGH LAW<u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">tel/fax: <a href="tel:(415)%20738-8087" value="+14157388087" target="_blank">+1.415.738.8087</a><u></u><u></u></span></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="http://rodenbaugh.com/" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">http://rodenbaugh.com</a> <u></u><u></u></span></div></div></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><u></u> <u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:00 PM, Dorrain, Kristine via gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I fully support Jon’s and Susan’s edits. I agree that the chair’s statement should be a considered a straw person proposal and that members have the right to request that statements outside the scope of the Charter be stricken. </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Question 5 is well beyond the scope of this WG and is a very slippery slope.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Unfortunately, I cannot make the call this evening. I strongly support not allowing the sub team to start work until the WG as a whole has determined what the proper scope is.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kristine</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(225,225,225);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>[mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</a>]<span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Jeremy Malcolm<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, June 07, 2017 3:33 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items from Review of all RPMs in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Call - 31 May 2017</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I disagree. I have some problems with these comments/edits. It seems to me that:<br><br>1. Deleting segments of the joint statement by the co-chairs is inappropriate. The chairs have every right to express their views, as the subteam has every right to express theirs.<span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>2. Editing out Question #5 is inappropriate - how the ICANN staff, board and community review and approve private RPMs is a very important part of the transparency and accountability process of the RPMs process.<br><br>3. Question #9 comparing the ICANN Community's rejection of the GPML (globally protected marks list) with the DPML privately sold to trademarks owners (Domains Protected Marks List) is a very valid inquiry that, of course, the WG subteam should review, consider and debate. Handcuffing the subteam upfront seems inappropriate.<br><br>4. Titles - what we call the Private RPM Protections should be something for the WG to decide (they are certainly not voluntary for registrants!)<br><br>I favor the original chairs' draft.<u></u><u></u></p><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On 4/6/17 12:36 pm, Greg Shatan wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I support Jon's edits and share his concerns regarding the scope and charge of this group.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I also think the spirit of bottom-up policy development supports taking changes to the document, rather than hanging on to the chairs' draft, which should be considered a strawman.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Greg<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 2:33 PM Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt"><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Jon:</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I can’t speak for the other two co-chairs, but so far the task of our subteams has been largely confined to refining and filling gaps in the draft questions, and identifying the data needed to provide answers and the feasibility of finding such data. I would think that would be the same for the subteam doing scout work on these non-mandated, market-supplied RPMs.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I guess we may have some further discussion of what we are seeking this subteam to do during Wednesday’s call, but once we hand it off to them the subteam members will get into the details and decide how to proceed.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I welcome further thoughts from the other co-chairs, or from any WG members.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best, Philip</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jon Nevett [mailto:<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.co" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">jon@donuts.co</a>]<span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, June 04, 2017 1:36 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Phil Corwin<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jon Nevett; Scott Austin; Susan Payne; Mary Wong; Greg Shatan; icannlists;<span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.<wbr>org</a></span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items from Review of all RPMs in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Call - 31 May 2017</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Thanks Phil. I'd like the co-chairs agreement that the sub-group's charge is limited to such information gathering. Otherwise, we do have an issue for the full committee and I would object to the sub-group starting work without knowing the scope of its work. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div id="m_5172416810445566446m_-6629011515137213909m_-8141012990155752629AppleMailSignature"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div id="m_5172416810445566446m_-6629011515137213909m_-8141012990155752629AppleMailSignature"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Best,<br><br>Jon<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br>On Jun 4, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Phil Corwin <<a href="mailto:psc@vlaw-dc.com" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">psc@vlaw-dc.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks for your feedback, Jon, and for your proposed edit of the draft Subteam questions.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I appreciate your agreement “that information about additional protections voluntarily offered by some registries in the marketplace may be helpful to the WG in evaluating the actual RPMs that we are chartered to review”, as that is consistent with the Co-Chairs’ view that we have to understand the full scope of and interplay between available RPMs – ICANN-mandated plus additional services provided by the TMCH and registries – to comprehend the entire ecosystem and make informed decisions going forward.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">On Friday’s Co-chair call we reached general agreement that further development of the draft questions prepared by us should fall to the Subteam charged with reviewing and refining them and then sending them back to the full WG for additional work. Hopefully the subteam members will reach consensus on the scope of our inquiry and their consistency with our Charter.<span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">As the discussion on Wednesday’s call of this subject should be largely confined to our decision to delegate further refinement you shouldn’t miss much and in any event will be able to review the mp3 and transcript. I believe that you have volunteered to be a subteam member so you can are assured that your views will be fully considered as it engages.</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Best regards, Philip</span><u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;border-top-color:rgb(181,196,223);border-top-width:1pt;padding:3pt 0in 0in"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jon Nevett [<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">mailto:jon@donuts.email</a>]<span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, June 02, 2017 6:26 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Scott Austin<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Susan Payne; Phil Corwin; Mary Wong; Greg Shatan; icannlists;<span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" style="color:purple;text-decoration:underline" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.<wbr>org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="m_5172416810445566446Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Action Items from Review of all RPMs in all gTLDs PDP Working Group Call - 31 May 2017</span><u></u><u></u></div></div></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">WG Members:<u></u><u></u></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">I would like to remind folks that our Phase 1 charter defines the RPMs for us to review as the URS; the TMCH and as used in Sunrise and Trademark Claims; and the PDDRP. We are not chartered to evaluate Commercial Online Protection Services; Non-Mandated RPMs; Registry Specific RPMs; Voluntary Registry Protections; Voluntary Registry Mechanisms; Voluntary Registry RPMs; or even Private RPMs.<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">With that said, I have long agreed that information about additional protections voluntarily offered by some registries in the marketplace may be helpful to the WG in evaluating the actual RPMs that we are chartered to review. With that context in mind, I offer the suggested changes to the proposed draft questions in the attached. I deleted certain references/questions about how/whether ICANN approves such additional private protections; whether they are consistent with policy decisions; commentary on an RPM that wasn't approved and how it may relate to some additional protections currently offered. Some of those questions and commentary are superfluous and irrelevant to our task at hand and would just lead us down a proverbial rabbit hole. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">What I hope we want from the sub-group is information about additional protections in the marketplace to help inform our task of reviewing actual RPMs and not an attempt at an extra-charter review of individual registries services. I am supportive of the former and happy to provide information as such, but am definitely opposed to the latter. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Unfortunately, I am taking a red-eye flight on Wednesday and will not be available for our next call. I would appreciate this issue being kicked to the following call if there is any need for discussion of the group. Much appreciated. <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Best,<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif">Jon<u></u><u></u></div></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"> <u></u><u></u></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in 12pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><pre style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:10pt;font-family:'Courier New'">______________________________<wbr>_________________<u></u><u></u></pre><pre 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