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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Dear all,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email. The MP3, Adobe Connect recording and Adobe Connect chat below for the Review of all Rights
Protection Mechanisms (RPMs)<span style="color:#1F497D"> </span>PDP Working Group call held Thursday, 08 June 2017<span style="color:black"> at
</span>03<span style="color:black">:00 UTC</span>. Attendance of the call is posted on agenda wiki page:<span style="color:#1F497D">
</span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/XjfwAw">https://community.icann.org/x/XjfwAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">MP3:</span></b><span class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#111111;text-decoration:none">
</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#111111"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mailer.samanage.com_wf_click-3Fupn-3DNrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpsshSzdNKA1Z4WxEp9wS0junC6qxIPowYakWbOj3iVsGxw-2D3D-2D3D-5FQuA5zZR9ZZ7J1F2FeF-2D2FOsgm1hgIDcBrAX2P7Ezxmql7ckJc4ios1-2D2BxObAoz2rzLSI3c4QB1NGo7bw7XrBjpRCbz74w4vzk48UxZMFoBBQBQaQ0ePdiOjdJ30sQNHkokOf-2D2F2p-2D2FBvMgKvMhzp-2D2B4u8fP-2D2BRrSytHe2KCf2HpQmtSbpezMgNTUG57PiORAPesOotpHA-2D2BC4pSmXJRsVmpbNaLqzsPQeZ-2D2BA995Zo6iV1YQNOxVYmj0vdGBbrzSu3-2D2BGp-2D2FYAbAJZcRfbkmY2OCjvIc8Nl4qiE4QIWX0bX-2D2FX22FMwvSO5-2D2Fdg26tCXwCUU5q1r0LQEfX8IJt-2D2FtQnEtgTpjOYGz-2D2BPWq95FrA6i9NOEn6diGFV5rd1y6EtU14l0VFMgRfv0IVUr13Qry6esQKLKrdiCvQfkoTlID-2D2FsbWD7MwDgbOD56VmBkzR1My6KuzAULOsDs0RhIzhCRNTZTQgsv7jaK3Ydk5Q95uVbLWnMwtIfQDWaqDcQEoNDok-2D2BTOg2rmEqOfl7&d=DwMFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=PDd_FX3f4MVgkEIi9GHvVoUhbecsvLhgsyXrxgtbL10DTBs0i1jYiBM_uTSDzgqG&m=IgBLU-h-gbFOIcKUdNzC9NKmnrE8Y6MvMyYg1NgbBVE&s=65UNHYwWTfAdQwS3iujYRJshFp5mpK668sT0JlsR2qM&e=">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-08jun17-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="MsoHyperlink"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">Adobe Connect recording: </span></b></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
<a href="https://participate.icann.org/p3qcejpbyam/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=1d0b66cd3929354d21560731d101913a0a7092f23edd328723cd77441b3653ca">
<b><span style="color:black;background:white">https://participate.icann.org/p3qcejpbyam/</span></b></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Mailing list archives: </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/"><span style="background:white">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Wiki page: </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/wCWAAw">https://community.icann.org/x/wCWAAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Terri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><b><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Adobe Connect chat transcript for 08 June 2017:</span></u></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group on Thursday, 08 June 2017 at 03:00 UTC for 90 minute duration<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Terri Agnew:agenda wiki page: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_XjfwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=gdp28SXl619DT5ZH5uBP-uyfgslz7K1Q479W0ooaXMg&s=U-7GbiU4livHYIZ3veGKQgQr2ftMazWWgcWx_kA0qws&e">
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_XjfwAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=gdp28SXl619DT5ZH5uBP-uyfgslz7K1Q479W0ooaXMg&s=U-7GbiU4livHYIZ3veGKQgQr2ftMazWWgcWx_kA0qws&e</a>=
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Hello.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:Is audio working?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:These 11 pm Eastern time calls conflict with the ending of Fargo. :-( I've set my PVR, though.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:It is on the telephone bridge, Michael.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:(I have the PC muted)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:Wonderful.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:I can hear now.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Philip Corwin:Hello all from tonight's Chair. Nothing I'd rather be doing at 11 pm ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Levy:Hi all and kudos for joining the call at this odd hour (for most of us, anyway)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jonathan Agmon:It is 11am here...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Hello all, 6am<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:glad you asked that Phil<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:There should be two of us.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Petter Rindforth:It is in fact a very very early morning here in Sweden ;-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:I believe he is in Singapore.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:I believe Justine is in the APAC region as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:I think there are 3<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:hasn't seemed like we've gotten any increased participation in these shifted slots<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Justine, Michael and Jonathan<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Justine Chew:yes, hi, I'm in Apache region<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Justine Chew:apac I mean<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:We had an interesting discussion last week, but not sure where we left off<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:The leadership was going to discuss with Lori and figure out what the next steps were<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:We are not sure which draft we are working from<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Is this the ocument from Kathy or the one before that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:There have been (as Amr noted) some suggested edits to the Google Doc that are not shown here as they haven't been discussed by the Sunrise Sub Team<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Jeff, the one before<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:Thanks Mary<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):it was an issue with multiple files and versions and during the last sunrise call (hypothetically staff should track progress, but something went wrong)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:It seems that The Analysis Group isn't being very cooperative in handing over data they already have.....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:I just joined<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:Due to my cough, I am on mute<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:(the 2 requests I made should have been completed long ago, as the data is easy to provide)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:thanks, phil<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@George, we will pass your comments on to our colleagues who have been dealing with the Analysis Group. We (Amr and I) are not in a position to know what the Analysis Group has in terms of data or in what form.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:I reviewed one earlier this week.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Mary: one can infer what data they have, by what they already produced in their report.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:I think a week is a reasonable amount of time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Phil. Will resend the link for the draft poll to the co-chairs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@George, what data should the group collect on design marks and GIs? There haven't been any suggestions on those if I recall correctly.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:(Those being the two topics of the poll as the 2 open TMCH questions)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:@george - What are the other options <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:if we dont do a poll<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:The current draft version of the poll allows for free form text.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Georges Nahitchevansky:I disagree with George K on this. What specific data are you referring to. We have discussed design marks and GIs ad nauseum. It's time to take a vote on these issues.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:I'd be against anonymity, to be clear.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Good, Amr.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):but with anonymity will not allow to identify whom to ask for clarifications<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*it<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jonathan Agmon:Having technical issues, apologies if I disappear<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Terri Agnew:@Jonathan, please let us know if a dial out on the telephone would be helpful<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Also noteworthy is that this poll is not meant to be interpreted as a formal consensus call on any WG recommendations. It's really only a snapshot of where WG members stand today.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):also it helps to identify own answers out of a hundred<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:+1 Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):*adding names<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Audio died?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Maybe type the question/statement?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:(if your typing speed is good)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Terri Agnew:@Jonathan, we are no longer able to hear you<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Scott R. Austin:+1 Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:If I'm not mistaken, the RDS group only uses names when comments are being cited. In any case, it is not being used to attempt to substantiate accusations of "capture."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:Staff...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:The poll questions try to synthesize in various statements/questions the state of the WG dsicussions to date on the various proposals.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Greg, but it allowes group to ask for clarifications to better understand , what was meant by a particular use of "other" field
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:on the call that I chaired, it was determined that we would not consider the issues of the inclusion of GIs as a broader issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:We advised the proponents of that proposal that they could petition the GNSO counsel to institute a separate working group to consider that issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:that is our plan, phil, yes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Georges Nahitchevansky:That is correct J Scott, but it appears that the proponents are trying to raise the issue again. We really need to get to closure before the next millenium is upon us<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:@Maxim if it's used for that limited purpose, that doesn't raise the same issues.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:"Non-Mandatory Protections"?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):"Additional protections" sounds better, I think<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:I still like Registry-specific RPMs<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Note that there is an open action item for suggestions to rename the Sub Team.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:Thanks @Amr - you're right, no reason to try to solve here<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and Registry-specific RPMs is more informational<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:apology for these technical issues<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Terri Agnew:Jonathan is now on the telephone as well<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:First meeting can be scheduled next week if it's agreed to hand off<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:@Mary, could we see the original document?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:18 members<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:21 is a good subset of our WG<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:What's on screen now is the version with Jon's and Susan's edits. As Kathy has requested, we can also show the original version.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:I support Jon and Susan's edits as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:So, a .food TLD could have a GI sunrise, for example, and GIs might not be in the TMCH....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:agreed.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:let<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Georges Nahitchevansky:I support the edits<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:let's send our original questions and the edited document and let them sort it out.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Phil Marano (Mayer Brown):For folks who volunteered for this sub team, should we have recieved a confirmation email yet, or is that forthcoming?
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Phil M, we haven't set up a call or scheduled anything, pending the outcome of today's discussions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Phil Marano (Mayer Brown):Thanks Mary.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:Agree with J Scott. Agreement by exhaustion (literally and figuratively).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:that is my thought. i agree brian<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:+1 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:Let's send that statement of concern to the subteam as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rebecca Tushnet:+1 Kathy<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, all - can you clarify what statement of concern you mean?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:Let's send all the comments pro and con, if we're going to do that.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Levy:As a member of the sub-team, I support Phil's proposal<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:No he hasn't<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:I support sending as much as possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:Absolutely - all comments, pro and con - should be provided. It would be ideal if Jeremy could actually mark up the draft that is circulated, however<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:so we're not working with different peices of the same puzzle<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:I have responded to Jeremy's "Statement of Concern."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:How about we just send them the entire email thread?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Maybe next Friday, to take the Claims Sub Team slot (assuming that group can complete their task this week)?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Michael, that was the staff thought as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:on the list. Perhaps those who suggested sending Jeremy's statement merely missed my response....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:agreee<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Justine Chew:agree with Phil's approach <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:Agreed - the whole thread!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:The more the merrier....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Perhaps instead of calling it a "poll", it might instead be termed a "Survey".<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Phil, correct<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:If I recall correctly, that question is phrased as a summary of the preliminary decision, and asks respondents if they agree, disagree, or don't feel strongly either way.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Together with a free form text comment box.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:+1 Phil. Goes to my prior comment that each indivual Registry-Specifc RPM should be presumed to be its own animal.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:Copenhagen meeting<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:Again, we have closed off the issue of whether GIs should be included. What is being considered is if GI's that are ALSO registered trademarks.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:The statements are conclusory and give the group a choice to support or not support.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:There are GIs registered in the TMCH database - according to Deloitte. But they are unlikely to share exactly which ones.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> J. Scott Evans:Deloitte has already said they have registered GIs. We have that affirmed by the Deloitte.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:If we look at the .AFRICA sunrise regs, there doesn't seem to be any GIs that were registered, see:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.thedomains.com_2017_06_05_new-2Dgtld-2Dafrica-2Dcloses-2Dits-2Dsunrise-2Dperiod-2Dwith-2Dover-2D930-2Ddomain-2Dregistrations_&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=gdp28SXl619DT5ZH5uBP-uyfgslz7K1Q479W0ooaXMg&s=L-z206yKhQMkeFm8SlKcX-wtxlLGKcOtWpSc8dyjmYc&e">
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.thedomains.com_2017_06_05_new-2Dgtld-2Dafrica-2Dcloses-2Dits-2Dsunrise-2Dperiod-2Dwith-2Dover-2D930-2Ddomain-2Dregistrations_&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=gdp28SXl619DT5ZH5uBP-uyfgslz7K1Q479W0ooaXMg&s=L-z206yKhQMkeFm8SlKcX-wtxlLGKcOtWpSc8dyjmYc&e</a>=
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:(930 sunrise registration sample)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:I think we know that there are some GIs that came in under the statute or treaty.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Deloitte has also said it does not check which are GIs as that was not the criteria.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Although, perhaps they just decided not to utilize the sunrise for .africa.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Michael Flemming:I don't think they will provide those 75 records if they won't make the whole list public. Just because it is a small number, that won't disclose the confidentiality of those marks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:The overlap between Africa and GIs is probably relatively small "in the wild."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:@Mary: I believe what Deloitte said in Copenhagen that it does not check which GIs are registered trademarks.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Greg: but, it need not be a GI located in Africa. A European GI might want to snag the relevant .africa, just like they might want it in any other TLD.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Kathy, I had thought they said they do not check whether the marks submitted under the "protected by statute or treaty" category are, or are not, GIs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:I believe the response was a combination of GIs and marks protected by statute<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:and they would not separate them out<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Jeff Neuman:as there was no way in their system to do that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Jeff, yes<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:With apologies I did not have time to update this proposal before the call....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:They did propose both, I believe.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:@Mary: has the document being shown now been updated for the TM Match proposed Amendments by Greg and Brian, in addition to Michael G?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: No, and apologies. We'll upload an updated version momentarily.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:Great, tx Amr!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I think then the word sunrise should go from the text (initial one contained "sunrise and/or claims")<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:Will edit, Maxim,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rebecca Tushnet:The subteam has a placeholder question: how would its answers be affected by the proposed changes?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Justine Chew:yes, agreeing Rebecca's comment<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Justine Chew:I think these please answer is "no"<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Greg, thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):What happens with TMCH entries of single letters and two letters - are they going to cause almost 100% claims generation?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Justine Chew:sorry handcuffed by mobile autocorrect<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):Do we expect chilling effect of the whole industry due to frightened potential registrants?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):laso - combined all 11 rules will make too much wildcards ... paris would be "almost equal" to bottle<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Indeed, Brian.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:It adds huge friction to the registration process for good faith registrants.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and the same would cause rise in prices for most Registries with low prices (.25USD per claim from ICANN Accounting)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):and we need to understand = how many claims will the single registrant recieve ... imagine few notes from different marks<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:hadn't thought of that scenario, Maxim. Good point. If all of Gregs/Michaels/Brian's proposals were adopted, any sort of dictionary word, or really combination of dictionary words would be likely to receive multiple
notices<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Lillian Fosteris:With regards to Brian's point and going back to the discussion on the language of the TMCH Claims notices (a few months back) and the effectiveness/consequences of the wording, there would likely need to be a numer
of different Claims notices going out...likely causing more confusion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):I have a suggestion : we need to recommend a pilot project before the implementation if any<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Brian: yes, I pointed that out in my response to Greg's proposal on the mailing list, and on previous calls.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:I think the magnitude of the objection is based on a series of faulty assumptions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:@Phil, are we asking the TM Claims Sub Team to take the three proposals/suggestions, and synthesize them into an appropriate Charter question on Claims?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Imagine if the USPTO had an equivalent notice/claims process for every applied for mark, where a warning was generated for the TM applicant, and notices sent out for every other mark holder, using these kinds of matches....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Greg, the suggestion looks like set of semantic rules. We do need rules of combination of these rules. without it we face too much ways to interpret it<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:@Mary: The proposals may fall into the general questions of the TM Claims.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:... as refined by the subteam.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Levy:I'd like to support something that Rebecca said. I send out many demand letters and file many UDRP complaints. A common refrain I hear from registrants is "but I didn't know it was illegal to register this domain name."
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:I think Greg's rules are important and would not be difficult to implement<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):non exact is not a match actually, I think it looks like "degree of similarity "<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Rebecca Tushnet:Calculating those on the fly is not going to be particularly easy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Jonathan , such set of rules is a set of wildcards, and it is not easy to implement without strict rules of combination<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:For any short marks (under 7 characters), there would be a huge number of collisions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:@Maxim, perhaps this requires some technical advice, but in general these rules are important to provide notices that make sense.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:Count me in the subteam, please.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:I'd be happy to join the subteam too<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Take a look at the marks registered in .AFRICA for sunrise:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.thedomains.com_2017_06_05_new-2Dgtld-2Dafrica-2Dcloses-2Dits-2Dsunrise-2Dperiod-2Dwith-2Dover-2D930-2Ddomain-2Dregistrations_&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=gdp28SXl619DT5ZH5uBP-uyfgslz7K1Q479W0ooaXMg&s=L-z206yKhQMkeFm8SlKcX-wtxlLGKcOtWpSc8dyjmYc&e">
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.thedomains.com_2017_06_05_new-2Dgtld-2Dafrica-2Dcloses-2Dits-2Dsunrise-2Dperiod-2Dwith-2Dover-2D930-2Ddomain-2Dregistrations_&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DRa2dXAvSFpCIgmkXhFzL7ar9Qfqa0AIgn-H4xR2EBk&m=gdp28SXl619DT5ZH5uBP-uyfgslz7K1Q479W0ooaXMg&s=L-z206yKhQMkeFm8SlKcX-wtxlLGKcOtWpSc8dyjmYc&e</a>=
and try employing some of the rules Greg stated, and you'll see.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Hi Greg and Jonathan - which Sub Team, please?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:Claims<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:Claims<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:OK<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:And thanks :)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):+1 George<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:A large number of those .AFRICA sunrise registrations were short domains too, the exact kinds of marks that generate more collisions when you start using those rules to generate variations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:I can revise my proposal in light of the various comments on the list.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:@George, the issue of short domain names is correct and should be reviewed. If it doesnt make sense, some limitations can be applied.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:George, that's a good question that you have framed in the form of a conclusion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:It was sent out a short while ago<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Greg: based on my experience, it's a solid conclusion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:April 2018<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:URS review is scheduled to commence following ICANN 60.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:Show your work, please, George.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:April 2018 to publish initial Phase One report<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Greg: sure, if I'm paid accordingly. :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:(Sorry I can't speak, am in a noisy place)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:+1 Greg<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:40 days<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:ICANN rule for public comment<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:You're paid the same as the rest of us. Zilch.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:40 days is a biblical period<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy::-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:I was confused there for a moment...<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:Note that the WG can also elect to have a longer public comment period<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Right, Greg. But, if's obvious (as I pointed out in my email to the list) that if you generate all the variations you specified for marks under 7 characters, that there will be a huge number of collisions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:I shouldn't be forced to spend hundreds of hours to generate all those variations.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:@George, I can recommend a small DSP... <o:p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:I pointed out in the email the math on those variations, and the combinatorial explosion it generates.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:ICANN61 10-15 March 2018<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:No, not obvious that there will actually be collisions. The math is based on faulty assumptions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Steve Levy:Sorry folks but I've got to drop off the call. Speak with you again soon<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:The WG can do a F2F and a community session - we will need to request it<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:What are collisions?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Greg: generate the combos for 3 letter marks like IBM, and you'll see.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:The question is how many collisions would actually occur. Many if not most theoretical cases will never occur.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):@Greg, the set of suggestion needs to be transformed into implementale set of rules and it can be ran agains the historical data<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:Another birthday with Phil!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Greg: every single 4 letter .com is registered. Perhaps you don't know that.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:@Maxim, that sound like a helpful suggestion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Kathy:Will people have started their travels?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:George, I did know that, but thanks for assuming my ignorance.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:will anyone have started travelling?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:Speaking for myself, don't leave until Friday<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:There are a few meetings prior to day 1 on Monday.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Petter Rindforth:More practical to have it in Johannsburg rather than the week before<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:As Phil just noted. :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:I am leaving Friday morning.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Greg: that demonstrates that due to the high density of registrations of short domains, *any* rules that generate variations of those short marks that are also short will collide.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:Check with Heather Forrest.....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:We have a lot of work to do, and it's not a meeting instead of the F2F. I think we should keep it<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):also we might face load issues (combinatorics will give a lot of operations per registration) causing rise in prices for TMCH (more CPUs and Memory)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Mary Wong:We're only asking because typically we don't do WG meetings the week before an ICANN meeting.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:How's that penetration going in the new gTLDs George?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Terri Agnew:Next call: Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) in all gTLDs PDP Working Group is scheduled for Wednesday, 14 June 2017 at 16:00 UTC for 90 minute duration.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Greg Shatan:I think anyone. who is "spinning the wheel" on IBM+ registrations is going to ignore any notice they get....<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:@Greg: you have to look at the increased coverage that it causes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> George Kirikos:Whether folks actually attempt the registration, it's up to the market.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Maxim Alzoba (FAITID):bye all <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> jonathan agmon:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Brian Cimbolic:thanks all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"> Marina Lewis:thanks - bye all<o:p></o:p></p>
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