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<p>One thing may be implementation and disruption of the direct
registration flow. This may not be as pronounced for retail
registrars, but in registrars that have no direct contact to their
registrants, e.g. where third party companies handle the
customer-facing portals, direct display had to be replaced by
tertiary methods that resulted in abandonment.<br>
</p>
While I cannot share TLD results directly, I can provide some
anecdotal numbers for a few TLDs from a couple of randomly picked
golive launches we participated in:<br>
<br>
TLD 1:<br>
<pre wrap="">Not approved claims: 5
Submitted: 37
= 11% abandonment
TLD 2:
Not approved claims: 112
Submitted: 2529
=4% abandonment
TLD 3:
Not approved claims 0
Domains to submit: 4
= 0 % abandonment
TLD 4:
Not approved claims 1
Domains to submit: 1
= 50 % abandonment
TLD 5:
Not approved claims 1
Domains to submit: 0
= 100 % abandonment
TLD 6:
Not approved claims 3
Domains to submit: 38
= 7 % abandonment
TLD 7:
Not approved claims 1
Domains to submit: 1
= 50 % abandonment
TLD 8:
Not approved claims 1
Domains to submit: 76
= 1 % abandonment
TLD 9:
* Not approved claims: 25
Submitted: 220
=10% abandonment
TLD 10:
Not approved claims 12
Domains to submit: 150
= 7 % abandonment
TLD 11:
* Not approved claims: 9
Submitted: 99
= 8% abandonment
I took these numbers from our golive statistics that our developers reported at the time shortly after the general availability opened in the respective TLDs.
Hope this helps a bit.
Volker
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 13.07.2017 um 16:41 schrieb Jeff
Neuman:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Since
we do not know what has caused the abandonment of
applications (for lack of getting any reliable data from
Registrars or Registries), I don’t believe we should come to
the conclusion that the rate of abandonment is a problem.
And if it is not a problem, then there is no reason to
reduce the level.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">For
whatever reason, many have come to the conclusion that the
rate of abandonment is a problem. I know personally I am
not there yet. Given the incredibly high abandonment rate
we saw in .biz in 2001 from the trademark claims service (as
reported publicly in the Summit Strategies report), and
given the fact that I have my own theories on why the rate
is so high (which I cannot prove either), I am not convinced
that this high rate was unexpected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This
is the point I was trying to make yesterday on the call.
If we cannot show why the abandonment rate if too high (or
why it was a problem), then why are we trying to find a
solution by trying to lower it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Inferences (was Re:
Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of
all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working
Group)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>I still feel that the best way to remove abandonment would be
to remove the notices from the registration path and place
them in the post-registration notice path. Extending the
notice period for trademark holders might help be a good
compromise.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Am 13.07.2017 um 16:25 schrieb Jon
Nevett:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Georges: Denying that there were
abuses of the TMCH won't help either. There have been
plenty presented to date (see below). Let's try to solve
the problems and not deny that they exist. Obviously,
there is some abandonment based on the notices -- let's
work to minimize the rate of abandonment by legitimate
registrants without unduly hurting the protections
afforded to legitimate rights holders. Jon <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.thedomains.com/2017/02/01/the-trademark-clearinghouse-worked-so-well-one-company-got-24-new-gtld-using-the-famous-trademark-the/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.thedomains.com/2017/02/01/the-trademark-clearinghouse-worked-so-well-one-company-got-24-new-gtld-using-the-famous-trademark-the/</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.thedomains.com/2014/03/22/tmch-has-plenty-of-trademarks-of-generic-words/"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.thedomains.com/2014/03/22/tmch-has-plenty-of-trademarks-of-generic-words/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 13, 2017, at 9:37 AM,
Nahitchevansky, Georges <<a
href="mailto:ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
think the basis problem has been and remains that
the basis for all this hunting around and data
requests is an unfounded claim that there is an
abundance of “abusive and overreaching tmch
registrations.” The evidence of such alleged
widespread abuse has not been presented, because
it doesn’t exist. What all this sound and fury
about data etc. reminds me of is Donald Trump
claiming with basically no evidence that there was
widespread voter fraud to explain why he do not
get the majority of the popular vote in the US and
then setting up a special commission to
investigate the matter in the hope of cobbling
together some sort of proof. In the end it’s a
waste of everybody’s time and money.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kurt Pritz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Inferences
(was Re: Mp3, Attendance, AC recording &
AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection
Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Well i want to do a short
review here.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The issue. Is the tmch
function resulting in overkill - in other words is
it overly protecting mark holders at the expense
of the public. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">1st many were asking for a list
of marks registered with the tmch. The point here
was to understand what type of marks were actually
being registered and under what conditions.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This was met with loud
objections by a few members who asserted
confidentiality. I seem to recall that the tmch
agreement itself contradicted any assertion of
confidentiality. I suggested the list be made
known without indication of registrant
identification. I also suggested the list be
provided to a 3rd party under confidentiality so
they could report to the group. There was no vote
or attempt to measure consensus.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">2nd we then considered the
post-notice abandonment rate. This was a 2nd best
data source trying to figure out the same original
issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now it turns out that the data
set was not stellar. People are not asserting
this should be abandoned. This argument is being
made by the same small group that objected to
release of the marks registered with TMCH. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Now the suggestion is to
abandon any investigation into what is in TMCH or
the statistical abandonment rate and instead look
at the language of the notice itself. This does
not solve the problem. It is simply unacceptable
to allow abusive and overreaching tmch
registrations just because the notice can be
watered down or improved.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">The problem remains. In order
to measure the success or appropriateness of the
TMCH (which this group is required to do) we must
have access to the underlying data. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I remain willing to work with
people to provide reasonable protection for
confidentiality. I reiterate my suggestions that
the data be anonymized or provided to a neutral
expert to review, categorize and report on.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">If this is not acceptable, then
the only alternative is for someone to essentially
reverse engineer the list by trial and error.
This can certainly be done on an automated basis.
However, neither side would win by this. It
would be a silly waste of time and resources. It
would also result in publication of the results.
It seems neither side would want such a result.
I am sure we can find a compromise.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Anyone willing to work on this
with me?<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
On 13 Jul 2017, at 12:22, Kurt Pritz <<a
href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Susan. <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think the Analysis Group
was at least negligent in their duties when
they reported the 93% abandonment rate. It was
misleading despite the disclaimers attached.
Whenever any number is reported, it tends to
gain traction and, as a result, we find
ourselves struggling to attach some type of
meaning to it. The Analysis report has led to
false conclusions and a waste of time. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">We are best off never
mentioning the number again. We should agree
that we have no understanding, information or
data on the issue of how abandonment rate was
effected by claims notices. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">George has identified a
couple ways to approximate the effect. If
additional data gathering is undertaken along
the lines that George or anyone else suggests,
that work would be to get an understanding of
abandonment rates and not to test the reported
number by Analysis. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Susan’s last and
penultimate paragraphs below put it best. In
addition to identifying data be collected in
the next round, we could look at the language
and display of the current notices to ensure
that the notices are designed to achieve the
goal of the claims notice program: to properly
inform without intimidating. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Kurt<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Kurt
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style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><a
href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">kurt@kjpritz.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">+1.310.400.4184</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Skype:
kjpritz</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<blockquote
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 13, 2017, at
10:28 AM, Susan Payne <<a
href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">susan.payne@valideus.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Correct,
the data for<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>two</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>registrars
was excluded because of concerns
about mining, but Analysis Group
clearly were not confident that
fully addressed the concern:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Page
7:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"However,
due to limitations of the data
(discussed in more detail below),
our analyses of the data require an
assumption that each download is
associated with a registration
attempt (and was not downloaded by a
registrar for a purpose unrelated to
domain name registrations). If this
assumption is incorrect, then our
results will exaggerate the size of
any observable
registration-deterrent Claims
Service effect."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Page
16:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"These
results should not be relied upon to
make policy recommendations. We find
that the vast majority of
registration attempts are not
completed after receiving a Claims
Service notification (94%
abandonment rate). This abandonment
rate seems quite high, however there
are several caveats to this result,
which include our inability to
determine the abandonment rate that
would occur if no Claims Service
notifications were sent and
limitations of our data set, which
require us to assume that every
registrar download from the TMDB
represents a registration attempt.54
We therefore cannot determine
whether Claims Service notifications
are the direct cause for the
abandonment rate that we observe."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I
believe this is a fruitless
exercise. Analysis Group are meant
to be professionals at this, were
paid a tidy sum by ICANN to carry
out this review, presumably had the
benefit of being an independent
third party which ought to have
removed some of the confidentiality
concerns that we have faced, and
should have had the support of
whatever ICANN contractual
provisions there are requiring
co-operation in economic studies.
They still produced a report which
repeatedly cites the paucity of
data, the resulting reliance on
assumptions, and that their
“results” were consequently
inadequate and should not be relied
upon to make policy. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We
are wasting our time with this.
What would not be a waste of time
would be to identify the data that
we wish we had and make
recommendations such that any future
review would not be similarly
hampered. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Susan
Payne</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Head
of Legal Policy | Valideus Ltd</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">E:<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#954F72">susan.payne@valideus.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">D:
+44 20 7421 8255</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">T:
+44 20 7421 8299</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">M:
+44 7971 661175</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">-----Original
Message-----<br>
From: <a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
On Behalf Of George Kirikos<br>
Sent: 12 July 2017 21:30<br>
To: <a
href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg]
Inferences (was Re: Mp3, Attendance,
AC recording & AC Chat Review of
all Rights Protection Mechanisms
(RPMs) PDP Working Group)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi
again,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Just
to followup on my prior email, The
Analysis Group *already* adjusted
the stats to attempt to take into
account the "mining" theory that
Jeff spoke about. i.e. the 93.7%
abandonment figure that we've been
talking about is a figure obtained
*after* making the adjustments!
Without the adjustment (which
eliminated 62.2% of the
observations), the abandonment rate
would have been 99%! See:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><a
href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64066042/Analysis%20Group%20Revised%20TMCH%20Report%20-%20March%202017.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1490349029000&api=v2"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/64066042/Analysis%20Group%20Revised%20TMCH%20Report%20-%20March%202017.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1490349029000&api=v2</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(a)
page 17 (footnote 55)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">""As
discussed in Section IV, there are
two registrars that averaged
downloads of more than 20 trademark
strings per download, which is large
compared to the average of fewer
than five trademark strings in the
downloads of other registrars. We
also exclude downloads made by
ICANN’s monitoring system. The
exclusion of the two registrars does
not significantly impact our
results. Inclusion of the two
registrars shows that 99% of
registrations are abandoned and 0.5%
of completed registrations are
disputed."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">(b)
page 18, note [2]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">"[2]
A bulk download is defined as a
download from the TMCH of multiple
strings by the same registrar with
exactly the same time stamp.
Downloads by two registrars are
excluded from this analysis because
of a potentially high prevalence of
bulk downloads (98.7% and 81.9% of
downloads, respectively) by each of
these two registrars. The average
size of the “bulk downloads” by
these two registrars (approximately
23 and 35 strings, respectively) is
much larger than the average “bulk
download” size of other registrars
(other registrars in the Claims
Service data download 5 strings or
less on average).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This
exclusion results in an exclusion of
62.2% of the observations in the
original Claims Service data
received from IBM after excluding
downloads by ICANN's monitoring
system."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sincerely,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">George
Kirikos</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">416-588-0269</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On
Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:10 PM, George
Kirikos <<a
href="mailto:icann@leap.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">icann@leap.com</span></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
Hi folks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
Just following up on some statements
from today's transcript:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 3:51 PM,
Terri Agnew <<a
href="mailto:terri.agnew@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">terri.agnew@icann.org</span></a>>
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>
Adobe Connect chat transcript for 12
July 2017:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>
Jeff Neuman:My belief is that we
have a huge rate of people</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>
abandoning is because (i) registrars
were mining the system, (ii)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>
registrants were mining the system
to see what was valuable, and to a</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>
lesser extent as a result of the
claim (either legitimiate or not)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>
Jeff Neuman:But I cant prove any of
those theories</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>
Kathy Kleiman:@Jeff: we have
gathered evidence already from</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>
registries; there is probably more</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>>
Jeff Neuman:There just is no way to
do so on a backwards basis</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
If one had access to the raw data
(and presumably The Analysis Group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
would have had it, to generate their
reports), one could filter such</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
"mining" by examining abandonment
rates by (1) registrar and (2) by</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
time relative to the launch date.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
i.e. presumably those were "mining"
the system were not spreading out</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
their queries across all registrars
equally. It would be easy to</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
identify the outliers. Furthermore,
registrants would be also focused</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
on a few registrars that permit
those bulk lookups, and they
wouldn't</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
spread their queries over time
equally --- they'd be focused at the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
launch (i.e. the beginning, first
few days, etc.) of a TLD.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
Of course, if need be, one could
anonymize the data by registrar
(i.e.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
Registrar 1, Registrar 2, etc.), if
there are any concerns about</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
revealing their individual
abandonment rates.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
Registry operators and registrars
both have technology to block WHOIS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
access to those who are "mining"
that data. One can use similar</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>
detection techniques in this
instance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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