<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Jon,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The linked articles you provide show the danger of jumping to conclusions about what constitutes an "abuse of the TMCH" and who qualifies as an abuser of the TMCH. Also, what constitutes "plenty" of abuses.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The first article discusses only the sunrise registrations secured by one entity based on their registration of the term THE. The entity, Goallover Limited, seems to be associated with various tools used in buying and maintaining personal data (a/k/a "leads") -- the most prominent being LolaGrove. They seem to have a somewhat legitimate set of businesses, and yet there's no indication they use the word "THE" as a brand in any meaningful way. One would be more shocked if a little more searching didn't reveal that Goallover Limited is not new to this type of scheme. A search reveals the following tidbit from 2006:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><h4 style="box-sizing:border-box;font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;line-height:20px;margin-top:10px;margin-bottom:10px;font-size:16px;color:rgb(26,26,26)"><a href="http://www.worldtrademarkreview.com/Daily/Detail.aspx?g=e65decb0-3c4d-427f-9e4e-45832f65a97a" style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(4,87,168);text-decoration-line:none;border-bottom:1px solid rgb(210,216,219);word-wrap:break-word">Memorex wins in first wave of '.eu' cybersquatting cases</a> <span style="box-sizing:border-box;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(85,98,108)">(Legal updates)</span></h4><div style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Open Sans",sans-serif;font-size:15px"><b style="box-sizing:border-box;color:rgb(85,98,108)">07 September 2006</b><p style="box-sizing:border-box;margin:0px 0px 10px">While the first round of '.eu' domain name decisions were against the '.eu' registry, trademark owners are now successfully challenging cybersquatters. In Memorex Products Europe Limited v Goallover Limited, the panel was faced with a respondent who had registered the trademark MEMO REX the day before it applied for the domain name '<a href="http://memorex.eu">memorex.eu</a>', and had 132 similar sunrise applications.</p></div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">This does appear to be a form of "TMCH abuse," but its hard to discern what makes their claim to trademark rights bona fide.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The second article casts a wider net. Unfortunately, it captures legitimate brandowners along with likely abusers.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The first one, HOSTING, was registered by a domain name registrar and hosting provider called Hosting Concepts BV, which appears to do business as Openprovider (see, e.g., <a href="http://www.openprovider.com">www.openprovider.com</a>). On their LinkedIn page they state "</span><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Since july 1st 2012 the only brand of Hosting Concepts is: </font><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Openprovider: </span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.openprovider.nl">https://www.openprovider.nl</a> </span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.openprovider.co.uk">https://www.openprovider.co.uk</a> </span><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><a href="https://www.openprovider.es">https://www.openprovider.es</a>" It might be interesting to know how they use HOSTING as a trademark (which they claim is for rubber and plastic products (of unknown type), but not for their actual business, which is hosting). As an apparently legitimate registrar and hosting provider business, it does raise concerns that they appear to have a side-business in filing questionable trademark applications.</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">The second one, GOLD, is a horse of a different color. The owner, This is Global Limited (now known as Global Media & Entertainment Limited) is a UK based media company (<a href="http://www.global.com/">http://www.global.com/</a>) which identifies itself as the UK's largest commercial radio business -- one of their "formats", with a number of radio stations operating under the mark, is called GOLD (see <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_(radio)">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_(radio)</a> or <a href="http://www.global.com/radio/gold/">http://www.global.com/radio/gold/</a></font><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">) It's subtitled "Greatest Hits of All Time," and appears to be an "oldies" format. They filed for the trademark back in 2009 (</span><font face="verdana, sans-serif">UK00002515362)</font><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">. This is an entirely legitimate trademark and use, being unfairly accused of "TMCH abuse."</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The next one "biG" is also a "false positive" for "TMCH abuse." biG is a trademark of </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:Calibri,Candara,Segoe,"Segoe UI",Optima,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">S.p.A. Egidio Galbani, a large Italian cheesemaker, with sales in numerous countries, doing business as Gruppo Lactalis. Their website </span><font color="#333333" face="Calibri, Candara, Segoe, Segoe UI, Optima, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><a href="http://www.gruppolactalisitalia.com/locator.cfm?sectionid=974">http://www.gruppolactalisitalia.com/locator.cfm?sectionid=974</a> reveals the following about the business carried out under this mark:</span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#333333" face="Calibri, Candara, Segoe, Segoe UI, Optima, Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:16px"><br></span></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><span class="gmail-sottotit" style="color:rgb(13,39,96);font-weight:bold;font-size:11px">biG: Una grande società per una grande distribuzione</span><br style="color:rgb(120,117,109);font-size:11px"><p style="color:rgb(120,117,109);font-size:11px"><strong>biG Srl è la società nata nel 2004 per la distribuzione e vendita di tutti i prodotti Galbani in Italia</strong>. È caratterizzata dal più capillare network di distribuzione di prodotti freschi su tutto nel nostro Paese con <strong>1.130 tra venditori e agenti,oltre 1.000 camioncini e 108 depositi territoriali.</strong></p><p style="color:rgb(120,117,109);font-size:11px"><strong>Dal 2009 si occupa di tutto il portafoglio prodotti del Gruppo Lactalis Italia</strong> (tutti i marchi Galbani, Vallelata, Invernizzi, Locatelli, Cademartori, Président) per garantirne una gestione integrata e sinergica ed una maggiore efficienza e sviluppo nei diversi <strong>Canali di Vendita. </strong>Il mercato dei formaggi in Italia rappresenta infatti il 1° a valore nel reparto del fresco e garantisce il maggior contributo alla crescita di fatturato dei vari punti vendita.</p><p style="color:rgb(120,117,109)"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">which, courtesy of Google Translate, says something like this:</font></p><p style="color:rgb(120,117,109);font-size:11px"><span class="gmail-sottotit" style="color:rgb(13,39,96);font-weight:bold">biG: A great company for a large distribution</span><br></p><p style="color:rgb(120,117,109);font-size:11px"><strong>biG Srl is the company formed in 2004 for the distribution and sale of all Galbani products in Italy</strong> . It is characterized by the most extensive distribution network of fresh produce throughout our country by <strong>1130 between sellers and agents, more than 1,000 trucks and 108 local deposits.</strong></p><p style="color:rgb(120,117,109);font-size:11px"><strong><font class="gmail-">Since 2009 deals with all the Group's product portfolio Lactalis Italy</font></strong><font class="gmail-"> (all Galbani brands, Vallelata, Invernizzi, Locatelli, Cademartori, Président) to ensure an integrated and synergic management and greater efficiency and development in various </font><strong><font class="gmail-">Sales Channels. </font></strong>The cheese market in Italy represents the 1st value in the fresh department and ensures the greatest contribution to growth in sales of the various sales outlets.</p></div><div class="gmail_default">Again, an entirely legitimate trademark and trademark owner being tarred by false charges of "TMCH abuse."</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">The fourth and last mark cited is the infamous THE registered by the infamous GOALLOVER LIMITED.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default">So, the "plenty" of TMCH abuses adds up to one attempt by a registrar and hosting provider to claim the mark HOSTING, one attempt by a serial "gamer" to claim the mark THE, one false accusation against a brandowner for GOLD for a bona fide radio station business and one false accusation against a brandowner for biG for a bona fide food distribution business.</div><div class="gmail_default"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">Even more concerning is that these claims are thrown out there and then adopted and further transmitted by people who I sincerely believe are trying to have an informed good-faith discussion about their concerns. Nonetheless, it took me less than an hour to discern that half of the "plenty" of instances were false. That makes it harder than it should be to discuss these concerns in a productive way.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">We need to strive for a discussion and a solution that is aimed at actors like OpenProvider and Goallover, </font><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">which appear to be clear instances of "gaming" rather than bona fide uses of the marks, while not pulling in legitimate brands and brandowners like Global Media & Entertainment and Galbani.</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">I agree that there is a challenge in creating the right filter that would separate the wheat from the chaff. But that doesn't mean it can't be done.</span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Greg</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jon Nevett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email" target="_blank">jon@donuts.email</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Georges: Denying that there were abuses of the TMCH won't help either. There have been plenty presented to date (see below). Let's try to solve the problems and not deny that they exist. Obviously, there is some abandonment based on the notices -- let's work to minimize the rate of abandonment by legitimate registrants without unduly hurting the protections afforded to legitimate rights holders. Jon </div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.thedomains.com/2017/02/01/the-trademark-clearinghouse-worked-so-well-one-company-got-24-new-gtld-using-the-famous-trademark-the/" target="_blank">https://www.thedomains.com/<wbr>2017/02/01/the-trademark-<wbr>clearinghouse-worked-so-well-<wbr>one-company-got-24-new-gtld-<wbr>using-the-famous-trademark-<wbr>the/</a> </div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><a href="https://www.thedomains.com/2014/03/22/tmch-has-plenty-of-trademarks-of-generic-words/" target="_blank">https://www.thedomains.com/<wbr>2014/03/22/tmch-has-plenty-of-<wbr>trademarks-of-generic-words/</a></div></div></div></div><div><div class="gmail-h5"><div></div><div>
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<br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 13, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Nahitchevansky, Georges <<a href="mailto:ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com" target="_blank">ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_6928235629414912965Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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<div class="gmail-m_6928235629414912965WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_6928235629414912965__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I think the basis problem has been and remains that the basis for all this hunting around and data requests is an unfounded claim that there is
an abundance of “</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">abusive and overreaching tmch registrations.” The evidence of such alleged widespread abuse has not been presented, because it doesn’t exist. What all this sound
and fury about data etc. reminds me of is Donald Trump claiming with basically no evidence that there was widespread voter fraud to explain why he do not get the majority of the popular vote in the US and then setting up a special commission to investigate
the matter in the hope of cobbling together some sort of proof. In the end it’s a waste of everybody’s time and money.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kurt Pritz<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Inferences (was Re: Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Well i want to do a short review here.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">The issue. Is the tmch function resulting in overkill - in other words is it overly protecting mark holders at the expense of the public. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">1st many were asking for a list of marks registered with the tmch. The point here was to understand what type of marks were actually being registered and under what conditions.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">This was met with loud objections by a few members who asserted confidentiality. I seem to recall that the tmch agreement itself contradicted any assertion of confidentiality. I suggested the list be made known without indication of
registrant identification. I also suggested the list be provided to a 3rd party under confidentiality so they could report to the group. There was no vote or attempt to measure consensus.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">2nd we then considered the post-notice abandonment rate. This was a 2nd best data source trying to figure out the same original issue.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Now it turns out that the data set was not stellar. People are not asserting this should be abandoned. This argument is being made by the same small group that objected to release of the marks registered with TMCH. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Now the suggestion is to abandon any investigation into what is in TMCH or the statistical abandonment rate and instead look at the language of the notice itself. This does not solve the problem. It is simply unacceptable to allow abusive
and overreaching tmch registrations just because the notice can be watered down or improved.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">The problem remains. In order to measure the success or appropriateness of the TMCH (which this group is required to do) we must have access to the underlying data. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I remain willing to work with people to provide reasonable protection for confidentiality. I reiterate my suggestions that the data be anonymized or provided to a neutral expert to review, categorize and report on.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">If this is not acceptable, then the only alternative is for someone to essentially reverse engineer the list by trial and error. This can certainly be done on an automated basis. However, neither side would win by this. It would be
a silly waste of time and resources. It would also result in publication of the results. It seems neither side would want such a result. I am sure we can find a compromise.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Anyone willing to work on this with me?<br>
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On 13 Jul 2017, at 12:22, Kurt Pritz <<a href="mailto:kurt@kjpritz.com" target="_blank">kurt@kjpritz.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">I think the Analysis Group was at least negligent in their duties when they reported the 93% abandonment rate. It was misleading despite the disclaimers attached. Whenever any number is reported, it tends to gain traction and, as a result,
we find ourselves struggling to attach some type of meaning to it. The Analysis report has led to false conclusions and a waste of time. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">We are best off never mentioning the number again. We should agree that we have no understanding, information or data on the issue of how abandonment rate was effected by claims notices. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">George has identified a couple ways to approximate the effect. If additional data gathering is undertaken along the lines that George or anyone else suggests, that work would be to get an understanding of abandonment rates and not to test
the reported number by Analysis. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Susan’s last and penultimate paragraphs below put it best. In addition to identifying data be collected in the next round, we could look at the language and display of the current notices to ensure that the notices are designed to achieve
the goal of the claims notice program: to properly inform without intimidating. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Correct, the data for<span class="gmail-m_6928235629414912965apple-converted-space"> </span><b>two</b><span class="gmail-m_6928235629414912965apple-converted-space"> </span>registrars was excluded because of concerns about mining,
but Analysis Group clearly were not confident that fully addressed the concern:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">"However, due to limitations of the data (discussed in more detail below), our analyses of the data require an assumption that each download is associated with a registration
attempt (and was not downloaded by a registrar for a purpose unrelated to domain name registrations). If this assumption is incorrect, then our results will exaggerate the size of any observable registration-deterrent Claims Service effect."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">"These results should not be relied upon to make policy recommendations. We find that the vast majority of registration attempts are not completed after receiving a Claims
Service notification (94% abandonment rate). This abandonment rate seems quite high, however there are several caveats to this result, which include our inability to determine the abandonment rate that would occur if no Claims Service notifications were sent
and limitations of our data set, which require us to assume that every registrar download from the TMDB represents a registration attempt.54 We therefore cannot determine whether Claims Service notifications are the direct cause for the abandonment rate that
we observe."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">I believe this is a fruitless exercise. Analysis Group are meant to be professionals at this, were paid a tidy sum by ICANN to carry out this review, presumably had the
benefit of being an independent third party which ought to have removed some of the confidentiality concerns that we have faced, and should have had the support of whatever ICANN contractual provisions there are requiring co-operation in economic studies.
They still produced a report which repeatedly cites the paucity of data, the resulting reliance on assumptions, and that their “results” were consequently inadequate and should not be relied upon to make policy. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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would not be similarly hampered. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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From: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of George Kirikos<br>
Sent: 12 July 2017 21:30<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Inferences (was Re: Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Hi again,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Just to followup on my prior email, The Analysis Group *already* adjusted the stats to attempt to take into account the "mining" theory that Jeff spoke about. i.e. the 93.7%
abandonment figure that we've been talking about is a figure obtained *after* making the adjustments! Without the adjustment (which eliminated 62.2% of the observations), the abandonment rate would have been 99%! See:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">(a) page 17 (footnote 55)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">""As discussed in Section IV, there are two registrars that averaged downloads of more than 20 trademark strings per download, which is large compared to the average of fewer
than five trademark strings in the downloads of other registrars. We also exclude downloads made by ICANN’s monitoring system. The exclusion of the two registrars does not significantly impact our results. Inclusion of the two registrars shows that 99% of
registrations are abandoned and 0.5% of completed registrations are disputed."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">(b) page 18, note [2]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">"[2] A bulk download is defined as a download from the TMCH of multiple strings by the same registrar with exactly the same time stamp. Downloads by two registrars are excluded
from this analysis because of a potentially high prevalence of bulk downloads (98.7% and 81.9% of downloads, respectively) by each of these two registrars. The average size of the “bulk downloads” by these two registrars (approximately 23 and 35 strings, respectively)
is much larger than the average “bulk download” size of other registrars (other registrars in the Claims Service data download 5 strings or less on average).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">This exclusion results in an exclusion of 62.2% of the observations in the original Claims Service data received from IBM after excluding downloads by ICANN's monitoring
system."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 4:10 PM, George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">icann@leap.com</span></a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> Hi folks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> Just following up on some statements from today's transcript:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Terri Agnew <<a href="mailto:terri.agnew@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">terri.agnew@icann.org</span></a>>
wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> Adobe Connect chat transcript for 12 July 2017:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> ...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> Jeff Neuman:My belief is that we have a huge rate of people<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> abandoning is because (i) registrars were mining the system, (ii)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> registrants were mining the system to see what was valuable, and to a<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> lesser extent as a result of the claim (either legitimiate or not)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> Jeff Neuman:But I cant prove any of those theories<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> Kathy Kleiman:@Jeff: we have gathered evidence already from<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> registries; there is probably more<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">>> Jeff Neuman:There just is no way to do so on a backwards basis<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> If one had access to the raw data (and presumably The Analysis Group<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> would have had it, to generate their reports), one could filter such<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> "mining" by examining abandonment rates by (1) registrar and (2) by<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> time relative to the launch date.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> i.e. presumably those were "mining" the system were not spreading out<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> their queries across all registrars equally. It would be easy to<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> identify the outliers. Furthermore, registrants would be also focused<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> on a few registrars that permit those bulk lookups, and they wouldn't<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> spread their queries over time equally --- they'd be focused at the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> launch (i.e. the beginning, first few days, etc.) of a TLD.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> Of course, if need be, one could anonymize the data by registrar (i.e.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> Registrar 1, Registrar 2, etc.), if there are any concerns about<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> revealing their individual abandonment rates.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> Registry operators and registrars both have technology to block WHOIS<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> access to those who are "mining" that data. One can use similar<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> detection techniques in this instance.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">> Sincerely,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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