<div dir="ltr"><div><div>I think this a very good start Brian, I suggest we also:<br></div><br>Make Sunrise & Claims mandatory for all new gTLD launches <br><br>Extend proof of use to all TMCH entries<br><br></div><div>I think these 3 suggestions combined would deal very quickly and effectively with most of the issues raised over the last few months.<br><br></div><div>Best regards,<br><br><br></div><div>Paul<br></div><div><div><div><br><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Beckham, Brian <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int" target="_blank">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Trying bring the discussions about TMCH/Sunrise abuse together in a more practical way, I would like to offer the following:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Using the Donuts SDRP (<a href="http://www.donuts.domains/about/policies/sunrise-and-dpml-dispute-resolution-policy" target="_blank">www.donuts.domains/about/<wbr>policies/sunrise-and-dpml-<wbr>dispute-resolution-policy</a>)
as an example, the relevant sections are:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The fees are GBP 250 for a single complaint relating to up to 5 domain names registered to the same registrant.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">What you Need to Prove<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To prevail in a Sunrise dispute under this Policy, a Complainant must prove by clear and convincing evidence that any of the following grounds apply:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">at the time the challenged domain name was registered, the registrant did not hold a trademark registration of national effect (or regional effect)
or the trademark had not been court-validated or protected by statute or treaty;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">the Sunrise registrant does not meet the “in-use” standard;<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If the Panellist finds that the Complaint succeeds, Donuts in its discretion shall determine the most appropriate remedy for the parties consistent
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The available remedies may include, but are not limited to: [i] revocation or cancellation of the disputed domain name(s) or DPML block without refund
of any registration or related fees; or [ii] transfer of the disputed domain name(s) to the Complainant, provided that the Complainant agrees to the same terms as required for registration in the relevant TLD.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In an email to this list last Friday (attached for reference), I noted that the LRO and UDRP in their respective ways, address the bona fides of trademark registrations.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Perhaps adding some criteria along these lines to the existing SDRP challenge process (which already incorporates the “proof of use” concept) could address the concerns raised
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Without re-opening debate about the incidence/instigators of such abuse, I am interested to hear your views on whether this could be a starting point for a forward-looking
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks, and best regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Beckham, Brian" <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>><br>To: Jon Nevett <jon@donuts.email>, "Nahitchevansky, Georges" <<a href="mailto:ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com">ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 08:22:36 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Inferences (was Re: Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">There is some precedent for addressing this, namely in the LRO and UDRP context. As has been pointed out many times on this list, including by Brian Winterfeldt in reaction
to this string, there are challenge processes built into this TMCH/Sunrise system, and of course at national trademark offices. Perhaps we might look at better integrating the below criteria into the former (TMCH challenges)?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In section 3.5.2 of the AGB (<a href="http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/applicants/agb/objection-procedures-04jun12-en.pdf" target="_blank">http://newgtlds.icann.org/en/<wbr>applicants/agb/objection-<wbr>procedures-04jun12-en.pdf</a>),
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">(5) Whether and to what extent the applicant has used, or has made demonstrable preparations to use, the sign corresponding to the gTLD in connection
with a bona fide offering of goods or services or a bona fide provision of information in a way that does not interfere with the legitimate exercise by the objector of its mark rights.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">(6) Whether the applicant has marks or other intellectual property rights in the sign corresponding to the gTLD, and, if so, whether any acquisition
of such a right in the sign, and use of the sign, has been bona fide, and whether the purported or likely use of the gTLD by the applicant is consistent with such acquisition or use.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">(7) Whether and to what extent the applicant has been commonly known by the sign corresponding to the gTLD, and if so, whether any purported or likely
use of the gTLD by the applicant is consistent therewith and bona fide.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Similarly, at section 2.12 (<a href="http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/search/overview3.0/#item212" target="_blank">http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/<wbr>domains/search/overview3.0/#<wbr>item212</a>), the
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">2.12 Does a respondent trademark corresponding to a domain name automatically generate rights or legitimate interests?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">2.12.1 Panels have recognized that a respondent’s prior registration of a trademark which corresponds to a domain name will ordinarily support a finding
of rights or legitimate interests in that domain name for purposes of the second element.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">2.12.2 The existence of a respondent trademark does not however automatically confer rights or legitimate interests on the respondent. For example,
panels have generally declined to find respondent rights or legitimate interests in a domain name on the basis of a corresponding trademark registration where the overall circumstances demonstrate that such trademark was obtained primarily to circumvent the
application of the UDRP or otherwise prevent the complainant’s exercise of its rights (even if only in a particular jurisdiction). Absent evidence of such circumstances indicating pretext however, panels have been reluctant to reject a respondent trademark
registration out of hand.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hope that’s useful.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jon Nevett<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nahitchevansky, Georges<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Inferences (was Re: Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks Georges. Unfortunately, the speculators you refer to are actual trademark holders with equal rights in the TMCH as Disney, Renault, BMW, etc. You are absolutely correct that we need to resolve the dichotomy between the two groups
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jul 13, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Nahitchevansky, Georges <<a href="mailto:ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com" target="_blank">ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="m_6947358246919094789__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Jon: I am not denying anything. What I object to is folks claiming widespread abuse by trademark owners with little to no evidence.
The only evidence has been about domainers and speculators going out to register some marks for pencils and the like and then using such to register a handful of domain names in the new gtlds. Some want to lump genuine trademark owners with these speculators
to basically try to gut both the Sunrise and claims notices protections. If the only evidence is a guy who registered “the” to obtain some domains in the new gtlds based on “the” and a party that registered common word trademarks for pencils to obtain a handful
of domain names, then I think it is apparent that any claimed abuse is by speculators not real bona fide trademark owners. As an aside, I am somewhat surprised that some folks can’t seem to see the difference (or choose to ignore the difference) between a
genuine trademark owner that offers real goods and services under a trademark as part of a business based on the brands and services (e.g. DISNEY, RENAULT, BMW, PEPSI, SAMSUNG etc.) versus someone who registers marks for pencils for the sole purpose of speculating
in domain names. So instead of embarking on a data witch hunt to try and find things to gut the system with, I do agree with you and others that we should work to try and address and fix the bumps we know of – such as the limited speculator problem that has
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Jon
Nevett [<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email" target="_blank">mailto:jon@donuts.email</a>]<span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, July 13, 2017 10:25 AM<br>
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gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Inferences (was Re: Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Georges: Denying that there were abuses of the TMCH won't help either. There have been plenty presented to date (see below). Let's try to solve the problems and not deny that they exist. Obviously, there is some abandonment based on
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and overreaching tmch registrations.” The evidence of such alleged widespread abuse has not been presented, because it doesn’t exist. What all this sound and fury about data etc. reminds me of is Donald Trump claiming with basically no evidence that there
was widespread voter fraud to explain why he do not get the majority of the popular vote in the US and then setting up a special commission to investigate the matter in the hope of cobbling together some sort of proof. In the end it’s a waste of everybody’s
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Behalf Of<span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Paul Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:23 AM<br>
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<b>Cc:</b><span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Inferences (was Re: Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This was met with loud objections by a few members who asserted confidentiality. I seem to recall that the tmch agreement itself contradicted any assertion of confidentiality. I suggested the list be made known without indication of
registrant identification. I also suggested the list be provided to a 3rd party under confidentiality so they could report to the group. There was no vote or attempt to measure consensus.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Now the suggestion is to abandon any investigation into what is in TMCH or the statistical abandonment rate and instead look at the language of the notice itself. This does not solve the problem. It is simply unacceptable to allow abusive
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<p class="MsoNormal">If this is not acceptable, then the only alternative is for someone to essentially reverse engineer the list by trial and error. This can certainly be done on an automated basis. However, neither side would win by this. It would be
a silly waste of time and resources. It would also result in publication of the results. It seems neither side would want such a result. I am sure we can find a compromise.<u></u><u></u></p>
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we find ourselves struggling to attach some type of meaning to it. The Analysis report has led to false conclusions and a waste of time. <u></u><u></u></p>
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attempt (and was not downloaded by a registrar for a purpose unrelated to domain name registrations). If this assumption is incorrect, then our results will exaggerate the size of any observable registration-deterrent Claims Service effect."</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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Service notification (94% abandonment rate). This abandonment rate seems quite high, however there are several caveats to this result, which include our inability to determine the abandonment rate that would occur if no Claims Service notifications were sent
and limitations of our data set, which require us to assume that every registrar download from the TMDB represents a registration attempt.54 We therefore cannot determine whether Claims Service notifications are the direct cause for the abandonment rate that
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benefit of being an independent third party which ought to have removed some of the confidentiality concerns that we have faced, and should have had the support of whatever ICANN contractual provisions there are requiring co-operation in economic studies.
They still produced a report which repeatedly cites the paucity of data, the resulting reliance on assumptions, and that their “results” were consequently inadequate and should not be relied upon to make policy. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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From:<span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@<wbr>icann.org</span></a><span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-<wbr>bounces@icann.org</span></a>]
On Behalf Of George Kirikos<br>
Sent: 12 July 2017 21:30<br>
To:<span class="m_6947358246919094789apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a><br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Inferences (was Re: Mp3, Attendance, AC recording & AC Chat Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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