<div><div dir="auto">George,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It appears you have concluded that the "success" of Sunrise is measured on the number of registrations on a per TLD basis, irrespective of the total number of Sunrise-eligible TLDs or the cost per Sunrise registration. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">At the same time, you cite to the 1 cent give-away domains in new gTLDs as evidence that cost does matter (along with usage, and other factors). </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I admit, I'm not clear on why you think cost matters in one context, but not the other.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Hopefully, I've established that there are other ways of analyzing this topic that are not unreasonable. I suggest we continue the discussion on the Sunrise subteam, where these issues are being examined in closer detail.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thank you for your input and feedback.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto">Claudio</div><div><div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:44 PM George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Claudio:<br>
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Costs of a sunrise also scale as you increase the number of gTLDs. Are<br>
new gTLD registries paying on a per domain name (variable cost per<br>
domain name) only? Or are there fixed costs too? Are sunrise periods<br>
(which delay launch of GA) shorter, if there are more TLDs? Or are<br>
they fixed in length? Are there equal amounts of "good" domain names<br>
in those new gTLDs, or are the gamed sunrise domains representing a<br>
higher proportion of the "good" ones, as one scales?<br>
<br>
If 1,000,000 new gTLDs are launched, clearly any sunrise period is<br>
*pointless*, as TM holders are going to focus nearly entirely on<br>
*curative rights.* That was my point --- they're *already* doing that,<br>
shifting to curative rights, by decreasing their usage of sunrise<br>
periods. Thus, the costs of eliminating sunrise period are lower,<br>
because of that reduced usage (or, in other words, the benefits of<br>
retaining that sunrise period are low).<br>
<br>
That's why it's time to sunset/eliminate the sunrise period mandate --<br>
it outlived its usefulness as a tool, as the numbers show. It's only<br>
there to "shear the sheep", so to speak (i.e. soak TM holders who are<br>
highly risk averse, and don't know any better; i.e. bad insurance,<br>
like the folks who buy those electronics "Extended Warranties").<br>
<br>
As for those 1,000,000 new gTLDs, realize that if sunrise was<br>
eliminated, there'd also be 1,000,000 landrushes --- any brandholder<br>
that had coveted a name could still get it, on an equal playing field<br>
with everyone else, instead of jumping ahead of the line.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
George Kirikos<br>
416-588-0269<br>
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On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:24 PM, claudio di gangi <<a href="mailto:ipcdigangi@gmail.com" target="_blank">ipcdigangi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> George,<br>
><br>
> I'm going to use an extreme example to illustrate my point.<br>
><br>
> If 1,000,000 new gTLDs are launched in the next round, how many Sunrise<br>
> registrations do think there should be order to reach the "success"<br>
> threshold?<br>
><br>
> Best,<br>
> Claudio<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:50 PM George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Hi again,<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 12:44 PM, George Kirikos <<a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >with stats propped up with high counts of sub-$1<br>
>> > registrations, or even domains that are stuffed into the accounts of<br>
>> > registrants of other TLDs (e.g. .xxx with NSI, or .kiwi).<br>
>><br>
>> Sorry, that was a typo. It should have been .XYZ with NSI, of course,<br>
>> not .XXX, e.g.<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/lowdown/2014/dailyposts/20140605.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.dnjournal.com/archive/lowdown/2014/dailyposts/20140605.htm</a><br>
>><br>
>> Sincerely,<br>
>><br>
>> George Kirikos<br>
>> 416-588-0269<br>
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