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As this phase would coincide with the claims notice period and
fulfil a similar purpose, the current practice would be made
redundant. Instead of a claims notice that each registrant would
have to approve in the first few days of general availability, the
registrant could instead be informed that the domain name is not
available for open registration until date X due to existing third
party rights. The registrant would therefore be generally warned and
be able to do his research before he tries again after date X. <br>
<br>
It would also allow the registry to go to the initial registration
phase right away after delegation (and any required notice period
has passed) instead of having to wait another month (or two months)
for the seperate sunrise to run its course.<br>
<br>
It might also help to avoid special sunrise pricing if the phases
are merged. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.08.2017 um 20:12 schrieb Mike
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<div dir="ltr">I like Volker's idea at first glance. It seems at
least worthy of exploration whether indeed it "would solve many
of the existing issues." Volker could you provide a litte more
depth to that -- what issues you think might be solved?
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 6:44 AM, Volker
Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I will not
dispute the effectiveness of Sunrise periods for rights
holders, however there may be better options that provide
just as much protection but have less impact on the release
of a new TLD.<br>
<br>
For example, sunrise could be run concurrently with the
general launch of a TLD simply by removing the eligible
sunrise domain names from the pool of available domain
names. Rights holders could still use their TMCH-tokens to
register these semi-reserved strings as domain names but the
release of the TLD to the general public would not be held
back. Other potential registrants would merely receive a
notice that this string is reserved until date X due to
claimed rights of third parties (which could double as an
abbreviated claims notice), or even opt to queue their
registration request until the reservation period is over.<br>
<br>
This would actually solve many of the existing issues.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
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Am 11.08.2017 um 15:12 schrieb Nahitchevansky, Georges:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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I was not going to engage in yet more back and forth on
sunrise, but in reading your email, and those of several
others, I feel compelled to say something on this by the
numbers discussion. This type of metric driven approach
is very much akin to driving down a road with blinders on
either side. It's a tad pedantic and as we know from
history these types of approaches (many times pushed by
bureaucrats) can often lead to disastrous decisions (e.g.
Soviet style five year plans). You need to look at the
overall situation and what is going on, as opposed to just
getting caught up in the numbers -- which after all can
get sliced and diced any number of ways. The reality is
that brand owners are using sunrise to protect their
brands in the key extensions that relate to their
businesses. The numbers may not be huge per se, but the
new gTLD program has pretty much, by all accounts, not
been the success that ICANN had hoped for. Moreover, we
all know that the success of the extensions has been quite
uneven. Some are barely breaking even, some have been a
great success, others have failed and yet others have only
experienced lackluster results. What all of this means is
that some extensions are simply not worth registering in.<br>
<br>
That being said, sunrise does have an important value. If
there are up to 100,000 plus registrations based on bona
fide brands, and some on the most valuable brands in the
world, then the system is working as it is preventing a
significant amount of cybersquatting . If we go by he
metrics you love, then it is not rocket science to figure
out that a landrush approach is going to lead to a large
spike of abuse (as we have seen in the past in no sunrise
situations). This in turn leads to significant costs of
investigating and pursuing infringements, all of which
ultimately leads to more costs to consumers and loss of
faith in the integrity of the system -- particularly if
consumers get tricked or defrauded by a domain name that
appears to be related to a brand (e.g., Gucci.shoes) and
which could have been registered during a sunrise period.<br>
<br>
So while I understand that brand owners are not making
sunrise registrations across 1000 plus extensions, the
point is that they are generally picking the most logical
extensions and are not abusing the sunrise system. So
whether the number is one percent or less or ten percent,
that number doesn't really tell the story. 100,000 plus
sunrise registrations prevents a ton of abuse, which
benefits everyone in the end. The numbers only approach
really misses the mark. It's like saying that if a disease
affects less that 1% of the world population, we should
not waste money on finding a cure for it and stop all
funding on such research (even though the costs of
treating the disease for the less than 1% will be
staggeringly high).<br>
<br>
So in closing, I again urge you to concentrate on trying
to find a fix to address the limited speculator issue as
opposed to beating a dead horse on the sunrise issue.<br>
<br>
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Original Message<br>
From: George Kirikos<br>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 12:22 AM<br>
To: gnso-rpm-wg<br>
Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] 99%+ reduction in sunrise
utilization rate per TLD supports EFF call for elimination
of sunrise<br>
<br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 11:21 PM, Greg Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I don't see the math that created your "talking point"
of a "99%+ reduction<br>
in sunrise." Can you show your work please?<br>
</blockquote>
The post at:<br>
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showed numerous sunrise statistics, ranging from 15,000 on
the low end<br>
for .mobi (.co was slightly lower, although that's a
ccTLD, not a TLD<br>
that ICANN is involved with in any way), 32,000 for .asia,
80,000 for<br>
.biz/.xxx, and who knows what it was for .info?<br>
<br>
Even taking the lowest of those (15,000) as the base, 130
(average<br>
new gTLD sunrise from The Analysis Group report) divided
by 15,000 =<br>
0.0087 = 0.87%, which is less than 1%, i.e. a 99%+
reduction. Of<br>
course, if one chose a higher base (.asia, .xxx, .biz,
.etc.), or an<br>
average of those other sunrises, the reduction is even
greater than if<br>
one had used the lowest sunrise (from .mobi).<br>
<br>
As for your other statement:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
We can't expect Sunrise registrations to outperform the
New gTLD Program generally."<br>
</blockquote>
While the new gTLD program has been a disaster, it hasn't
been an<br>
underperformance of 99%+ of expectations (perhaps more
like 80% to 90%<br>
underperformance). Thus, while it's obvious that both have
been<br>
failures, sunrise usage is an even greater failure than
new gTLDs<br>
overall. So, even on that relative scale, the sunrise
period should be<br>
eliminated.<br>
<br>
Since I know you'll ask "George, why do you say there's
been an 80% or<br>
90% underpeformance for new gTLDs?" let me answer that now
to save<br>
time. I'll use as my reference (besides the obvious
general<br>
observations of most informed observers) ICANN's own
stats:<br>
<br>
<a
href="http://domainincite.com/18857-new-gtld-sales-miss-icann-estimates-by-a-mile"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://domainincite.com/18857-<wbr>new-gtld-sales-miss-icann-esti<wbr>mates-by-a-mile</a><br>
<br>
where the numbers came in at just 18% of ICANN's original
2014<br>
expectations. For the math-challenged, 100% - 18% = 82% as
the level<br>
of underperformance.<br>
<br>
Sincerely,<br>
<br>
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