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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I will also be unable to join the upcoming call since I am based in the UK where it is scheduled
for 4am. I would therefore like to add my agreement and comments to those of Brian below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree with Brian that the 4 co-chair questions (the four bullets in the penultimate paragraph)
relate to topics which are already identified in Part One and Park Two of the URS working document and that as such, to the extent that the WG considers that they need to be considered and are not already adequately covered, then they should be incorporated
into the Topics/Questions, not sit as a separate statement. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would like to reiterate the concerns I raised previously about bullet 3 since there was
no opportunity available to discuss them on the last call. Bu</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">llet 3,
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">in the form it is expressed in the co-chairs statement,
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">proposes that we investigate the application of the clear and convincing evidence standard and that in
doing so “This will require a qualitative review of a statistically significant percentage of URS decisions”. This appears to propose that the WG members should re-open a number of URS decisions and effectively seek to apply our own judgment in place of that
of the appointed panellist. Our role in this PDP WG is to review the effectiveness of the RPMs and whether they collectively fulfil the purpose for which they were created, not to effectively take on the role of an appeals body in cases which have not been
appealed, or that of ICANN Compliance. It also raises significant practical concerns, in that we would presumably be attempting this “qualitative review” without the benefit of the underlying information that was available to the panellist, including the
Complaint and Response, which are not published. Any such review is pretty worthless.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As I previously suggested, a reasonable and proportionate approach, which would be consistent
with our approach on the TMCH, would be to consider the URS providers’ practices, in terms of what instructions and/or training are provided to panellists about the URS and its evidence standard. A consideration of the extent to which decisions have been
overturned on appeal on the basis of the application of the incorrect standard would also be something we could consider. I would like to repeat my suggestion that bullet 3 be amended, including the deletion of the Co-Chairs Note, to read:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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has been applied. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I would also like to support Brian’s procedural concerns. Whilst I am sure this was done
with the best of intentions, a statement such as this coming from one or more of co-chairs risks being perceived as having an authoritative status, which it is not afforded under the
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">GNSO Working Group Guidelines (particularly for those WG members who are not so familiar with the Guidelines and the
roles and responsibilities of working group participants). As a working group we have spent some weeks now talking about the topics and questions for consideration on the URS – the questions raised in the co-chairs statement should have been submitted into
that process in the same way that other working group members have done so. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%">Susan</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-color:#1F4E79;mso-style-textfill-fill-alpha:100.0%;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"> gnso-rpm-wg [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>BECKHAM, Brian<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 30 January 2018 13:13<br>
<b>To:</b> Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org>; gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and Materials for 01 February 2018 Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks Mary, Julie, Ariel and Berry,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">As I am unlikely to make this call, please consider this my contribution:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I would like to reiterate my observation that the 4 co-chair questions and their accompanying rationale are
<u>already</u> covered in both Part 1 (Topics) and Part 2 (Questions), respectively at M (ccQ1), M (ccQ2), D (ccQ3), and G (ccQ4), and it is difficult to see the need for yet another separate document/set of questions to consider.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Assuming there is consensus that these questions should in fact be addressed by the WG (which seems to be the case, given the fact that they are largely duplicative
of existing Topics/Questions (see above)), <b><u>my suggestion</u></b> therefore is that these 4 co-chair questions be wholly incorporated into Part 1 (Topics) and Part 2 (Questions), and that the WG proceed to addressing the consolidated list of Topics/Questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In procedural terms, if as a member of the WG, a co-chair believes there are questions not already included in the list of Topics/Questions, they should be put forward
to the WG for its consideration, by email or during our calls. The current co-chair statement approach risks running afoul of the respective roles set out for Chairs and Members established in the GNSO Working Group Guidelines (respectively 2.2.1 (“The purpose
of a Chair is to call meetings, preside over working group deliberations, manage the process…”) and 2.5 (“member Responsibilities include: Develop and draft working-group documents; Contribute ideas and knowledge to working group discussions…”)). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Moreover, as to the evidentiary standard, given that the WG is not privy to URS pleadings, and the determinations themselves are largely lacking in (legal) reasoning
the task of assessing whether the appropriate evidentiary standard has been applied risks being an exercise in partly informed (and potentially biased) second-guessing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thank you for your consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> gnso-rpm-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Julie Hedlund<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 29, 2018 10:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rpm-wg] Agenda and Materials for 01 February 2018 Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello everyone,</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">The next Working Group meeting is scheduled for Thursday, 01 February at 0400 UTC (31 January for some locations). On the agenda is
<b>Part Three: Co-Chairs’ Statement on URS Review</b>, pages 9-10 of the attached document. In addition, the Co-Chairs will preview the agenda for the 07 February meeting on the URS Case Review template.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Note: Working Group members are encouraged to send any comments on the Co-Chairs’ Statement to this list. If the comments can be addressed on the list the Thursday meeting may be canceled. For
reference, the notes from the previous discussion on the Co-Chair’s Statement may be found on the wiki at:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2018-01-10+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG">
https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2018-01-10+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks and cheers</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Mary, Julie, Ariel and Berry</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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