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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I'd like to reiterate to the mailing list that "subjective" is often being used in an undefined and I think unjustified way. As was pointed out on the call, there are plenty of qualitative inquiries on which we can expect
agreement and which shouldn't be deemed "subjective" by any standard: did the panelist identify the domain name at issue? Did the panelist identify the abusive use? Aggregated, these individual observations provide valuable information about the transparency
and functioning of the process as a whole. </p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">In general, many in this group don't trust the average registrant involved in a dispute, so it's not clear to me why their appeals, or lack thereof, would guide whether we think the process is working. Especially when
there are a lot of defaults, the appeal rate doesn't indicate much--similar to debt collection against poor people in the US, where there are lots of defaults but when individual claims are examined they often don't hold up. I expect that the rate of valid
claims in the URS is much higher than the rate of valid claims in US debt collection cases, but that's just an expectation in advance of a lot of data. Relatedly, the appealed cases are ones where the process is most likely to work as intended, because the
parties join the issues. But again, that's an expectation, and should be examined.</p>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of BECKHAM, Brian <brian.beckham@wipo.int><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 6, 2018 6:04:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Julie Bisland; gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Recordings, Attendance, & AC Chat for Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group call on Thursday, 01 February 2018</font>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Thanks Terri, Julie,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Having listened to the call recording, it is plain to see there is strong (and well-reasoned) disagreement on whether to proceed with a “subjective and qualitative review”
of URS decisions with respect to the standard of evidence.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Given this, and perhaps as a start, we can look to see the number of cases which have been appealed -- whether on the merits or following a default -- to see if registrants
themselves believe the standard is being misapplied. A statistically low number of appeals would suggest the answer may be “no”.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If on the other hand, there is a significant instance of appeals, that may merit the type of “review” proposed by some WG members. For that event, perhaps the WG should
already agree to avoid an approach that would risk re-litigating the decisions themselves; instead, the WG could agree to
<i>only</i> review select URS decisions with a view to possible “improvements” <i>
going forward</i> (e.g., as I believe Jeff Neuman proposed, suggesting that decisions should contain some minimal reasoning/elements).</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Julie Bisland<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 01, 2018 2:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rpm-wg] Recordings, Attendance, & AC Chat for Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs) PDP Working Group call on Thursday, 01 February 2018</span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Dear all,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Please find the attendance</span> and AC Chat transcript<span style="color:black"> of the call attached to this email. The MP3</span> and<span style="color:black"> Adobe Connect recording
</span>are<span style="color:black"> below for the Review of all Rights Protection Mechanisms (RPMs)</span><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black">PDP Working Group call held
</span>Thursday, 01 February 2018 at 04:00 UTC<span style="color:black">. Attendance</span> and recordings<span style="color:black"> of the call is posted on agenda wiki page:
</span> <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_uAxyB&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=2682DBiTWiUf_zL-BdajRcoU9eSWQS053WkHQCCLKIA&s=B6_xLKTzbSMugFS24znCh5-AOPHfaylATml5PH6QU2Q&e=">https://community.icann.org/x/uAxyB</a></p>
<p style="line-height:15.6pt; background:white"><b>MP3: </b><span style="color:#111111"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__audio.icann.org_gnso_gnso-2Drpm-2Dreview-2D01feb18-2Den.mp3&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=2682DBiTWiUf_zL-BdajRcoU9eSWQS053WkHQCCLKIA&s=a5MR5HKPZXxEzSYhPVLgBP-z5u9CfwX-FYF4NAYkUmE&e=">https://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-rpm-review-01feb18-en.mp3</a>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span class="x_MsoHyperlink"><b><span style="color:windowtext; text-decoration:none">Adobe Connect recording: </span></b></span>
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__participate.icann.org_p6mww2tis6b_&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=2682DBiTWiUf_zL-BdajRcoU9eSWQS053WkHQCCLKIA&s=RJs2bS_ca1WJo0SpJIVmki2x7PKi3Vys_oqa-pAwDgA&e=">
https://participate.icann.org/p6mww2tis6b/</a></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
</span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_group-2Dactivities_calendar&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=2682DBiTWiUf_zL-BdajRcoU9eSWQS053WkHQCCLKIA&s=ur-xpgtinOuwMSg8wnX6YTUr9mQF4tVqWR5Uu867J80&e=">https://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar</a></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Mailing list archives: </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mm.icann.org_pipermail_gnso-2Drpm-2Dwg_&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=2682DBiTWiUf_zL-BdajRcoU9eSWQS053WkHQCCLKIA&s=d08WTVPvoIs8pbaizleMN-TkGoViJWukVFjCsoQa_as&e="><span style="color:#3B73AF; background:white">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/</span></a></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Main w<span style="color:black">iki page</span> for the working group<span style="color:black">: </span><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_wCWAAw&d=DwMFAg&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=2682DBiTWiUf_zL-BdajRcoU9eSWQS053WkHQCCLKIA&s=WDlCIXZEF11cuAabLb8GpAmIJEA5R1y6gEpqKCi5D1A&e=">https://community.icann.org/x/wCWAAw</a></p>
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<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Thank you.</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="color:black">Kind regards,</span></p>
<p style="margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt">Terri</p>
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