<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><div>Phil,</div><div><br></div><div>I think you have them reversed in time-order.</div><div><br></div><div>The summary ruling without facts was the latest one (September 2015) and suspended the domain.</div><div><br></div><div>The more detailed ruling was the earlier one (May 2015) and resulted in a denial of the complaint.</div><div><br></div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> "Corwin, Philip" <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:56 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es">paul@law.es</a>>, "<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email">jon@donuts.email</a>" <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email">jon@donuts.email</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> RE: [gnso-rpm-wg] Two URS decisions of note<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="BORDER-LEFT: #b5c4df 5 solid; PADDING:0 0 0 5; MARGIN:0 0 0 5;"><div xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose">Speaking solely in a personal capacity, the first decision is of the minimalist variety that concerns me, as there is no mention of either the trademark at issue or what if any content was at the website. Requiring
a recitation of such essential facts would add no significant burdento the examiner’s task and would make review of future URS decisions much more meaningful.<o:p></o:p></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">The second decision probably goes above and beyond what is required in a URS case, but is welcome nonetheless (other than the lack of explanation of how the same domain/registrant wound up in a
second URS less than a year after the prior one). The examiner notes that the website is dark and, rather than basing a suspension on application of the passive holding doctrine (which I would accept as a result if warranted)declined to suspend on the ground
that bad faith use was merely speculative.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Philip S. Corwin<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Policy Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">VeriSign, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">703-948-4648/Direct<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">571-342-7489/Cell<o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-rpm-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 07, 2018 12:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email">jon@donuts.email</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Two URS decisions of note<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">The lack of any references in the 5446 decision to the trademark or any use of the domain precludes confirmation that the standard has in fact been met. This I would say is a quintessential example
of a problem. The decision itself must at least contain the facts that were found so as to support the decision.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">ALSO, this raises the issue of the 2nd bite at the apple. We have no idea if the facts changed during the 9 month period (e.g. Was there any conflicting use of the domain). The decision is simply
devoid of any references.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">This speaks both to a possible lack of application of the proper standard. However, it also tends to show that the panelists are not well informed as to what is required in any decision. This
would seem to be an NAF issue resulting from a lack of administrative review of the decision for complaince AND in ensuring that panelists are properly educated and qualified.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email">jon@donuts.email</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:02 PM<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rpm-wg] Two URS decisions of note<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in" id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I wanted to point out two default cases between the same complainant and respondent relating to the same domain name that came our differently about 9 months apart. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I am not commenting on the substance or what it means (I assume that there will be differing interpretations), but just wanted to share them with the group. 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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Claim Denied<br></span><a href="http://www.adrforum.com/domaindecisions/1676556D.htm" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#337AB7">Default</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="86" valign="top" style="width:64.6pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-right:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">06/12/2016</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></tbody></table><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Jon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">_______________________________________________ gnso-rpm-wg mailing list
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