<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Ur right about the dates. Sorry Phil. My bad eyes.<br><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPad</div><div><br>On 7 Feb 2018, at 21:54, Doug Isenberg <<a href="mailto:Doug@Giga.Law">Doug@Giga.Law</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><!--[if !mso]><style>v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">I don’t think this is a case of a “2nd bite at the apple” since the complainant <b><u>won</u></b> the first URS proceeding and lost the second one. So, presumably, the domain name was re-registered by the respondent after the URS suspension expired in the first case. It would be fascinating to know if the complainant/trademark owner tried to register the domain name fr itself after the suspension expired but was unable to do so before the respondent got it again – that’s certainly a significant limitation/hazard of the URS.<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><table class="MsoTableGrid" border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="border-collapse:collapse;border:none"><tbody><tr><td width="185" valign="top" style="width:139.1pt;border:none;border-top:solid #B95725 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Douglas M. Isenberg<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#7F7F7F">Attorney at Law</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="234" valign="top" style="width:175.5pt;border:none;border-top:solid #B95725 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin-top:16.0pt;text-align:center"><a href="https://giga.law/"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none"><image001.png></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td width="185" valign="top" style="width:139.1pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #B95725 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#B95725">Phone:</span> <span style="color:#7F7F7F">1-404-348-0368</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#B95725">Email:</span> <a href="mailto:Doug@Giga.Law"><span style="color:#7F7F7F">Doug@Giga.Law</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="234" valign="top" style="width:175.5pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid #B95725 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt"><p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="color:#B95725">Website<b>:</b> </span><a href="https://giga.law/"><span style="color:#7F7F7F">Giga.Law</span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></td></tr></tbody></table><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-rpm-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 7, 2018 12:21 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email">jon@donuts.email</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Two URS decisions of note<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Interesting.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">The lack of any references in the 5446 decision to the trademark or any use of the domain precludes confirmation that the standard has in fact been met. This I would say is a quintessential example of a problem. The decision itself must at least contain the facts that were found so as to support the decision.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">ALSO, this raises the issue of the 2nd bite at the apple. We have no idea if the facts changed during the 9 month period (e.g. Was there any conflicting use of the domain). The decision is simply devoid of any references.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">This speaks both to a possible lack of application of the proper standard. However, it also tends to show that the panelists are not well informed as to what is required in any decision. This would seem to be an NAF issue resulting from a lack of administrative review of the decision for complaince AND in ensuring that panelists are properly educated and qualified.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From: </span></b><span style="color:black">gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Jon Nevett <<a href="mailto:jon@donuts.email">jon@donuts.email</a>><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 6:02 PM<br><b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject: </b>[gnso-rpm-wg] Two URS decisions of note<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #B5C4DF 4.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-right:0in" id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I wanted to point out two default cases between the same complainant and respondent relating to the same domain name that came our differently about 9 months apart. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">I am not commenting on the substance or what it means (I assume that there will be differing interpretations), but just wanted to share them with the group. 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1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">1676556</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="113" valign="top" style="width:85.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-right:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">boucheron.pub</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="123" valign="top" style="width:92.15pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-right:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Boucheron Holding SAS v. zhouhaotian et al.</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="67" valign="top" style="width:49.95pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-right:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">URS</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="100" valign="top" style="width:75.05pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-right:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">05/25/2016</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="88" valign="top" style="width:66.35pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-right:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">Claim Denied<br></span><a href="http://www.adrforum.com/domaindecisions/1676556D.htm" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#337AB7">Default</span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width="86" valign="top" style="width:64.6pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;border-right:solid #DDDDDD 1.0pt;padding:6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt 6.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:15.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#333333">06/12/2016</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></tbody></table><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">Jon<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:black">_______________________________________________ gnso-rpm-wg mailing list <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a> <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>gnso-rpm-wg mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a></span><br><span><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg</a></span></div></blockquote></body></html>