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    <p>Hi All,</p>
    <p>Perhaps Greg or Staff could post the questions that Greg has
      raised as an issue in the Practitioners questionnaire (since they
      are not attached here)?  It is of course important to consider the
      Subteam review, but we also brought these questions to the full WG
      for a reason - to request input.</p>
    <p>I don't remember who proposed the Examiner questions, but perhaps
      they could go offline with the Practitioners Subteam to work out a
      variation that would be acceptable to everyone. Staff, do you
      remember?<br>
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    <p>I am sure we can work this out with a little discussion... <br>
    </p>
    <p>Best regards, Kathy<br>
    </p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/2/2018 1:04 AM, Greg Shatan wrote:<br>
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            have significant objections to the questions to Examiners
            that were tacked on to the end of the Practitioners
            questionnaire at the 11th hour.  Apologies for not focusing
            on this before now.  I don't believe these have really been
            properly reviewed or discussed.</div>
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            believe these questions are inappropriate in a poll of
            practitioners, as these are questions directed to
            "panelists."   (The proper term is Examiner....) It feels
            like a "bait and switch" tactic.  If we are going to survey
            Examiners, let's survey Examiners -- not ambush
            practitioners.  On that basis alone, we should eliminate
            these questions.</div>
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            am also troubled by the questions themselves.  Singling out
            these questions, out of all that we might ask Examiners,
            seems vaguely accusatory.   </div>
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style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The
            basis for these questions is questionable.  I've reviewed
            the URS Procedures and Rules, and none of these questions
            comes out of a Procedure or Rule.  The Examiners are
            supposed to declare conflicts of interest, but there is no
            instruction on how to implement that.  As such, there is no
            requirement that an Examiner undertake any type of conflicts
            check much less something as specific as "a law firm-wide
            conflicts check to verify that neither you nor your law firm
            has any actual or potentially adverse conflict of interest
            to the complainant and/or respondent."  Asking the question
            implies that this is an imperative when it is not.</div>
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style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-family:verdana,sans-serif">On
            top of that, this verbiage does not accurately describe a
            conflict check.  What is a "potentially adverse conflict of
            interest"? Why is it only asking about adverse conflicts?  I
            note that the Forum does have a Supplementary Rule that "A
            Examiner will be disqualified if circumstances exist that
            create a conflict of interest or cause the Examiner to be
            unfair and biased, including but not limited to ...  The
            Examiner has served as an attorney to any party or the
            Examiner has been associated with an attorney who has
            represented a party during that association."  This does not
            ask the Examiner to run a conflict check, but notably, the
            issue it raises is the exact<span> </span><u>opposite</u> of
            the issue implied in these proposed questions -- the Forum
            is highlighting representing a party, not being adverse
            (much less "potentially adverse) to a party.</div>
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style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Now,
            I'm not saying it's a bad idea for an Examiner to run a
            (properly defined) conflict check, but the very fact that we
            are debating Examiner actions and requirements in a
            practitioners poll should tell us we're in the wrong place.</div>
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style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-family:verdana,sans-serif">For
            that reason, I will not discuss the problems in the
            follow-up questions on conflict checks.</div>
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style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;font-family:verdana,sans-serif">The
            final question is even worse. ("Have you ever communicated
            with a third party regarding an ongoing URS dispute in which
            you were a panelist?')  As far as I know, this is not
            prohibited behavior, especially not this broadly described. 
            It seems designed to make people feel like they might have
            done something wrong.  (If this is expressly prohibited by
            the Rules or Procedures, then perhaps we could fashion a
            question out of that Rule/Procedure<span> </span><u>if we
              were putting together a poll for Examiners</u>.)  Is it
            improper to "communicate" with your spouse about a URS
            case?  With one of your law partners? With a fellow
            Examiner?</div>
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            story short, these questions should be deleted.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:15 AM, Julie
          Hedlund <span dir="ltr"><<a
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          wrote:<br>
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                    moz-do-not-send="true">Dear RPM PDP WG members,</a></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Per the WG Co-Chairs, here is
                    the proposed agenda for the Working Group call
                    Wednesday, 02 May 2018, scheduled for 1700 UTC. 
                    Times are proposed as estimates and may be adjusted.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Proposed Agenda:</span></p>
                <ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
                  <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span>Roll
                      call and updates to Statements of Interest (1
                      minute)</span></li>
                  <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span>Final
                      Status of Questions for Practitioners and
                      Providers (9 minutes)</span></li>
                  <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span>Report
                      from the Documents Sub Team (20 minutes)</span></li>
                  <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span>Discussion
                      on URS Phase II proposal (59 minutes)  See John
                      McElwaine’s original email at: </span><a
                      href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2018-April/002857.html"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span>http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/<wbr>gnso-rpm-wg/2018-April/002857.<wbr>html</span><span></span></a><span>
                      and a Google Sheet with the proposal as tab one,
                      and the responses as tab two at: </span><a
href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1apbVrFayn_vbPfhKDpjYs66iBWjvwhWFGZbuGpQnOgI/edit?usp=sharing"
                      target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span>https://docs.google.com/<wbr>spreadsheets/d/1apbVrFayn_<wbr>vbPfhKDpjYs66iBWjvwhWFGZbuGpQn<wbr>OgI/edit?usp=sharing</span><span></span></a><span>
                    </span></li>
                  <li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black"><span>Notice
                      of agenda for 09 May meeting (1 minute)</span></li>
                </ol>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Best regards,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Mary, Julie, Ariel and Berry</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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