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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Paul:<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I grow equally concerned when I see loaded questions that are being used to further an agenda. You email makes my
point. When you provide a response to your bank as to whether you have conflict, do you explain what you specifically did for the conflict check, what records you looked at or kept, who you spoke to, etc. Your obligations are governed by rules as an attorney.
You are only questioned as to whether you did the conflict check properly when someone challenges that you have a conflict of interest.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">As to the conflict to appear as a representative, perhaps you do not understand the point. The point is that a conflict
check by a representative is no different than a conflict check for a panelist. The panelist checks to see if he or she has a conflict as to the parties to the dispute. If you take on a matter as an attorney for a client you check to see if you have a conflict
as to the other party. So you must run a conflict check. So should we check that all representatives conduct conflicts check properly, what they look at, what records they retain, who they speak with and are in fact conflict free. Again, if one believes
that a representative has a conflict, you issue a challenge. <o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My judge point is spot on. Whether a judge is appointed or elected you do not know whether the judge has a conflict
in a particular matter. The judge when appointed makes a determination whether or not it can take on the matter or has a conflict. We trust that judges are doing this properly and recuse themselves when need be. If you think a judge has a conflict in a
particular matter, you can challenge the judge. Why should Panelists be held to a different standard. You are perfectly free to challenge any panelist appointment.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The bottom line here is that you trying to push through at the last minute partisan type questions to create issues.
The only inquiry at this point should be on whether panelists appointed act impartially as they are supposed to do. The providers take steps to assure such and that should be the only line of inquiry as to what is being done and whether the Providers have
had any issues in regards to impartiality.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georges Nahitchevansky
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paul Keating [mailto:Paul@law.es]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nahitchevansky, Georges <ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com>; Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc@gmail.com>; Julie Hedlund <julie.hedlund@icann.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Corwin, Philip via gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] REMINDER: Proposed agenda for RPM Working Group call on 25 April 2018 at 1700 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">There is no bias in the questions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The last time I responded to a conflicts/know your client question was last week in a response to my bank. I must also stand ready to provide them to governmental
and other agencies (including the bar associations where I am a member).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Conflicts to appear as a representative. This is a rather silly question don’t you think? When I represent a client, my obligation regarding conflicts extends
to my current client and any other past or present client. I have no conflict of interest obligation to parties adverse to the interests of my client because I am inherently in conflict with their interests (I represent my client, not them). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Conversely, if I am a panelist my obligation extents to the system, the ADR provider and the parties to the proceeding.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Panelists are not “judges”. Judges are either vetted via election our appointment. Their appearance in any case is closely monitored and they are ethically and
legally bound to disclose any potential conflict. In fact, in the US they are required to avoid the “appearance” of impropriety. Their failure to disclose or self-disqualify leads to appeals and discipline. Even so, there is a history of successful appeals
as a result of a failure to disclose. There is no such process for panelists and personally I am unwilling to NOT investigate this issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I am not trying to prove a point. I am merely asking questions. If there is no problem there is no problem. If there is, it must be addressed. I grow concerned
about people trying to shut down discussions and investigations. They are usually trying to hide something.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Georges Nahitchevansky <<a href="mailto:ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com"><span style="color:windowtext">ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com</span></a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 6:51 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Paul Keating <<a href="mailto:paul@law.es"><span style="color:windowtext">paul@law.es</span></a>>, Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"><span style="color:windowtext">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a>>, Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext">julie.hedlund@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"Corwin, Philip via gnso-rpm-wg" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"><span style="color:windowtext">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] REMINDER: Proposed agenda for RPM Working Group call on 25 April 2018 at 1700 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Your questions are loaded questions that have a bias that panelists are not properly vetting conflicts. As a California attorney you know
fully well that your questions go well beyond the norm. When was the last time you were asked to detail your conflict procedures -- apart from when there is an actual challenge by a party claiming a conflict of interest. By the same token as an attorney
representing parties in URS and UDRP proceedings you must have done a conflict check. Should we be looking into what all parties do in regards to conflict checks. Attorneys are not asked because they are are covered by an ethical obligation and unless someone
challenges on the ground of conflict it is presumed that they did a proper check. Similarly, Judges all over the world are presumed to have done a conflict check and to recuse themselves if a conflict exists. When is the last you asked a judge to explain
what they did and what procedures they have in place before taking on a case. You presume they conducted a proper check and challenge if you believe a conflict of interest. The same should apply in the URS context. URS panelists should not be put into a separate
category that goes beyond what attorneys and judges do. The panelists typicallly attest to the fact that they have no conflict. If someone feels otherwise, they can always challenge the panelist appointment. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">The bottom line is that this entire issue you are trying to inject here is part and parcel of some notion that panelists are not acting
in an impartial manner ias required by the URS rules. The questions of such whether panelists are acting impartially should be directed to the providers, who can answer more appropriately on this issue and what they require of panelists.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">One other basic problem with your questions, is that many answers will be meaningless as they will simply be yes we have appropriate procedures
in place. You may get a handful of more detailed responses, but then we will be arguing for months on end about whether procedures are sufficient or not etc. We are not here to rewrite the procedures firms take to run conflict checks. Again, the issue is
about having impartial panelists and what steps are taken to make sure that is the case. As in my judge example above, if you were going to go down this path of inquiry you would ask a judicial commission to advise on what they do to have impartial judges.
That is the more relevant and productive inquiry. So again I stress that these questions should be removed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Lastly, I am glad you agree that there should be ramifications for attorneys or others acting for parties for filing false statements,
supporting parties that hide behind bogus contact information, or fail to disclose their own interests in a matter. Maybe we should ask practitioners if they feel their should be meaningful sanctions for such behavior and the type of sanctions. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com">ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com</a>; <a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com">
gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] REMINDER: Proposed agenda for RPM Working Group call on 25 April 2018
at 1700 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Regarding some panelists not being attorneys, I have several responses. Primarily, given that the UDRP/URS is founded in legal principles,
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There are plenty of rules and regulations that require an attorney to verify the identity of clients – the least of which are the regulations concerning money laundering.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Regarding the fact-checking, I am fine with your suggestion - as long as it applies to both complainants and to respondents. Personally,
I am troubled by the fact that representatives can even provide a certification when they themselves have no personal knowledge. I presume that allowing such a process in the UDRP/URS space grew out of the trademark practice (where providing such certifications
to the registration authorities is a common practice). However, if you want to change it that is fine with me – as long as it applies to both sides.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">As to the proposal to limit inquiry to those clearly provided under the rules, that is not consistent with our marching orders. In fact
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">To conclude, I would submit that it is really your comments that are the loaded ones and intended to prevent an inquiry into a legitimate
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</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"><u><span style="color:blue">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></u></a>> on behalf of Georges Nahitchevansky
<<a href="mailto:ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com"><u><span style="color:blue">ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com</span></u></a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 2, 2018 at 2:28 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Greg Shatan <<a href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"><u><span style="color:blue">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></u></a>>, Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><u><span style="color:blue">julie.hedlund@icann.org</span></u></a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"><u><span style="color:blue">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></u></a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"><u><span style="color:blue">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></u></a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] REMINDER: Proposed agenda for RPM Working Group call on 25 April 2018 at 1700 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Below are the questions being referred to. I likewise object to these questions which have an underlying assumption that Panelists are somehow biased and don’t screen conflicts properly.
It also assumes that the panelists are all attorneys at law firms and the law firms do not have proper screening mechanisms for conflicts. Simply put, most of these questions are loaded questions that are meant to further a particular agenda. If we are going
to go down the route of these type of loaded questions, should we also be asking about attorneys, for example, who represent parties that registered names with bogus contact information whether they conducted a thorough check so that they can certify that
they truthfully identified the party they are representing and how they conducted that check (e.g., what mechanisms are in place and all steps taken). After all the ethical rules make clear that attorneys are bound by requirements that attorneys be truthful.
In that vein, should we also ask whether the attorneys representing parties have been truthful and checked the facts that they are stating in their papers – and what steps they take to certify and insure this. I can think of several examples I personally
know of where an attorney simply lied in the submissions. Should this now be an entire line of inquiry. Should we ask whether Rule 11 type sanctions be available in URS cases where an attorney representing a party is found to represent a party with fake
contact information or has lied in the papers. I can think of many more loaded lines of inquiries if that what some want to do, but ultimately I don’t think these are going to be productive in moving the ball forward.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In light of the questions that were suggested on the provider side of things, I think the only issue to raise is whether Panelists are impartial per the requirements of the rules
and what providers do to make sure that is the case – and nothing more, . These questions should not be here and should be deleted in their entirety</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">4. Do you serve as a URS panelist?</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">A. Yes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">5. If yes, do you undertake a law firm-wide conflicts check to verify that neither you nor your law firm has any actual or potentially adverse conflict of interest to the complainant
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<i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">If yes, please briefly describe the methods used to verify the absence of conflicts:___________________________________________________’</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">If yes, do you retain records of your search?</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">6. Have you ever communicated with a third party regarding an ongoing URS dispute in which you were a panelist?</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">If yes, please briefly explain the nature of such communications:_________________________</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> gnso-rpm-wg [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"><u><span style="color:blue">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></u></a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg Shatan<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 2, 2018 1:05 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><u><span style="color:blue">julie.hedlund@icann.org</span></u></a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"><u><span style="color:blue">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</span></u></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] REMINDER: Proposed agenda for RPM Working Group call on 25 April 2018 at 1700 UTC</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">I have significant objections to the questions to Examiners that were tacked on to the end of the Practitioners questionnaire at the 11th hour. Apologies for not focusing on this
before now. I don't believe these have really been properly reviewed or discussed.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">I believe these questions are inappropriate in a poll of practitioners, as these are questions directed to "panelists." (The proper term is Examiner....) It feels like a "bait and
switch" tactic. If we are going to survey Examiners, let's survey Examiners -- not ambush practitioners. On that basis alone, we should eliminate these questions.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">I am also troubled by the questions themselves. Singling out these questions, out of all that we might ask Examiners, seems vaguely accusatory. </span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">The basis for these questions is questionable. I've reviewed the URS Procedures and Rules, and none of these questions comes out of a Procedure or Rule. The Examiners are supposed
to declare conflicts of interest, but there is no instruction on how to implement that. As such, there is no requirement that an Examiner undertake any type of conflicts check much less something as specific as "a law firm-wide conflicts check to verify that
neither you nor your law firm has any actual or potentially adverse conflict of interest to the complainant and/or respondent." Asking the question implies that this is an imperative when it is not.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">On top of that, this verbiage does not accurately describe a conflict check. What is a "potentially adverse conflict of interest"? Why is it only asking about adverse conflicts?
I note that the Forum does have a Supplementary Rule that "A Examiner will be disqualified if circumstances exist that create a conflict of interest or cause the Examiner to be unfair and biased, including but not limited to ... The Examiner has served as
an attorney to any party or the Examiner has been associated with an attorney who has represented a party during that association." This does not ask the Examiner to run a conflict check, but notably, the issue it raises is the exact <u>opposite</u> of the
issue implied in these proposed questions -- the Forum is highlighting representing a party, not being adverse (much less "potentially adverse) to a party.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">Now, I'm not saying it's a bad idea for an Examiner to run a (properly defined) conflict check, but the very fact that we are debating Examiner actions and requirements in a practitioners
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">For that reason, I will not discuss the problems in the follow-up questions on conflict checks.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">The final question is even worse. ("Have you ever communicated with a third party regarding an ongoing URS dispute in which you were a panelist?') As far as I know, this is not prohibited
behavior, especially not this broadly described. It seems designed to make people feel like they might have done something wrong. (If this is expressly prohibited by the Rules or Procedures, then perhaps we could fashion a question out of that Rule/Procedure <u>if
we were putting together a poll for Examiners</u>.) Is it improper to "communicate" with your spouse about a URS case? With one of your law partners? With a fellow Examiner?</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#222222">Long story short, these questions should be deleted.</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 10:15 AM, Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org"><u><span style="color:blue">julie.hedlund@icann.org</span></u></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a name="m_3096627011750983672__MailOriginalBody"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Dear RPM PDP WG members,</span></a><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Per the WG Co-Chairs, here is the proposed agenda for the Working Group call Wednesday, 02 May 2018, scheduled for 1700 UTC. Times are proposed as estimates and may be adjusted.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Roll call and updates to Statements of Interest (1 minute)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Discussion on URS Phase II proposal (59 minutes) See John McElwaine’s original email at:
<a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2018-April/002857.html"><u><span style="color:blue">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2018-April/002857.html</span></u></a> and a Google Sheet with the proposal as tab one, and the responses as tab
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