<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">Without going into whether the correct number is 7% or 13%, it strikes me that either would be sufficient for the group to look into, and to seek a remedy for. 7% is not an insubstantial number, considering the appropriate number of decisions which should be rendered without details is 0.<div><br></div><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Aug 9, 2018, at 4:27 PM, Nahitchevansky, Georges <<a href="mailto:ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com">ghn@kilpatricktownsend.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Rebecca:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I do not disagree with the notion that we should discuss what a decision should contain, but I don’t think we have a consensus as to what that should be in the
URS context (given the pricing of URS proceedings). Moreover, a review of the URS cases makes your 13% number and comment of “significant due process and implementation issues” point questionable. At NAF for example, there were 827 cases that that your research
assistants reviewed. I found a total of about 103 that your team flagged as having no articulated decisions. I would agree that in 58 cases the decisions lacked details, but in 45 cases there were details that sufficiently let you know what the case was
about and the basis of the resolution. I am sure we can argue about these 45 cases and whether they should say more, but ultimately we are really only talking about 58 cases that actually do not have any specific details and just provide the standard and
a resolution (although I note that most of these cases involve domain names based on fairly well known marks such as NISSAN, DATSUN, TEXACO, BLOOMBERG, BNP PARIBAS etc., so you pretty much know what trademark was involved.). In all, we are really talking
about 7% of the cases that have no details, which is not significant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Again, we can discuss what the decisions should provide, but I don’t think we ought to be qualifying this as a “significant” issue per se (as 93% of them have
details). There are other issues being considered in the URS review that have better percentage numbers as an issue that are viewed as not being significant per se. The point is that the URS looks to be working appropriately and there are probably some tweaks
and refinements needed but this is not sky is falling issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tushnet, Rebecca<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 9, 2018 1:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ariel Liang <<a href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org">ariel.liang@icann.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] ACTIONS & NOTES: RPM PDP WG 08 August 2018<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">My apologies for missing the meeting. Comment on the big document:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">This is currently only covered under Defenses but I would put it for discussion/recommendations under 2. Examiners’ Guide/3.
Other Issues because it goes beyond defenses: Decisions should contain basic information, including what the trademark is, what the finding of abuse is and/or what findings are on any defenses—13% of decisions did not, and this raises significant due process
and implementation issues. </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
on behalf of Ariel Liang <<a href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org">ariel.liang@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 8, 2018 3:56:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [gnso-rpm-wg] ACTIONS & NOTES: RPM PDP WG 08 August 2018</span> <o:p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Dear All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Please see below the action items and notes captured by staff from the RPM PDP WG call held on 08 August 2018 (17:00-18:30 UTC). Staff have posted to the wiki space the action items and notes. <i>Please note that
these will be high-level notes and are not meant as a substitute for the recording.</i> The recording, AC chat, and attendance records are posted on the wiki at: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_uwNpBQ&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=CypdnKxuYaImNW0ttGO-h5FbHiLxMQ2kzt4bzMuwnHU&s=gcgRms-bmezGQQmwXCqLMQXOdSv3gly_0bWYNSuRlY8&e=">https://community.icann.org/x/uwNpBQ</a>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Best Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Ariel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Ariel Xinyue Liang</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">GNSO Policy Support Specialist</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xp2"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION ITEMS:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Brian Beckham to send to the WG a WIPO FAQ with regard to “Doe Complaint”.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Renee Fossen to provide more information on HSTS-preloaded domain suspension issues in the written responses.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Staff to recirculate the Super Consolidated URS Topics Table document</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">WG members to provide substantive comment and raise anything they believe is missing on the WG mailing list by
<b>COB Tue, 14 Aug</b>. Co-Chairs will then discuss among themselves to determine further actions/process.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l7 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">WG members to finish reviewing the rest of the Super Consolidated URS Topics Table document, including page 24-35, during next week’s call.
Later period to discuss larger policy issues.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xp2"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">NOTES:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Review Agenda/Statements of Interest</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l13 level1 lfo2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">George Kirikos has become a member of the At-Large Community:
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https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/George+Kirikos+SOI</a> </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">General Comment<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>on the Super Consolidated URS Topics Table Document
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The topics in the table were developed by the WG members and deliberated on by the WG & URS Sub Teams. Each Sub Team then did very substantial
work on data collection and reviewing what came back. While the actual Sub Team recommendations and suggestions captured in this document are what is intended the WG should discuss - to see if it wishes to develop policy or operational recommendations - discussion
over what should be on the actual list of topics should not be reopened unless the WG agrees to do so. We encourage all WG members to review all the previous reports from each Sub Team, and all the documents they worked on. They are linked in this Super Consolidated
document (page 2).</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The Super Consolidated document is a summary of findings and suggestions by the Sub Teams. The Table does not mean to limit/restrict recommendations
from the WG members. If there is any issue overlapping with UDRP, can possibly be carried over to the phase II of the PDP.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Is it possible to add additional topics to the Super Consolidated Table? One WG member said that access to the Courts, for example, is a topic
he raised, which isn't in the table. Statute of Limitations, whether URS should apply to legacy gTLDs as a consensus policy, are just a few of the topics not in the table. He brought it up in November 2017 (see:
<a href="https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2017-November/002585.html">https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-rpm-wg/2017-November/002585.html</a> ) and it was reflected in a later document. That's a critical issue for registrants. if they don't have access
to the courts to challenge a URS decision, then it's a huge denial of their rights.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">While the chart is not meant to foreclose further discussion, it is a good faith attempt at capturing the work of the sub teams.<span class="xapple-converted-space">
</span>The purpose of today's, and likely the next few, calls was to make sure this was an accurate and comprehensive reflection of our discussions so far.<span class="xapple-converted-space">
</span>That said, WG members should bear in mind that we are seeking consensus, so items which are unlikely to achieve that may not be appropriate to reflect as a recommendation, but could be included in public comments on the Initial Report.<span class="xapple-converted-space">
</span>Also, before adding items to this chart, we will want to work with staff to see whether such topics was previously discussed, and if so, the level of agreement/consensus.<span class="xapple-converted-space">
</span>In other words, it is not necessary final, but is equally an opportunity to reintroduce topics which have been discussed, but for which consensus is/was not possible.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Could we create a list of "missing issues" -- a list of issues raised in this call (and calls to follow); we can evaluate the nature and weight
of these ideas later.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Regarding the Action Item<span class="xapple-converted-space">s highlighted in column 3 of the table,
</span>Providers ST will do a first pass of the responses from the Providers to the follow-up questions,<span class="xapple-converted-space"> and then discuss the issues that they identified and proposed suggestions with the full WG.
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Limited filing period (page 3)<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One WG member believes that there should be limitation for filing period to bring URS Complaints, so the domain registered many years ago would
not be subject to unfair treatment.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> He said
</span>a registrant who owns a domain for 20 years, for example, shouldn't have to be concerned about a policy that can take their domain down with very short time period to respond.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Other WG members said this was discussed, and did not achieve agreement. That would only even be an option if the trademark pre-dated.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>This
is unlikely to be a situation in practice where a URS was brought because it would probably not be a "slam dunk" case after 20 years unless there had been a change of circumstances<span class="xapple-converted-space">.
</span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l4 level1 lfo4"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On the issue of delay and laches - as reported by the Docs Sub Team, the data did not provide any basis for which a policy recommendation should
be made. The Providers and Practitioners Sub Teams also did not uncover any specific issues that came to either practitioners' or providers' attention.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Administrative Review (page 3-4)<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l6 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One WG member asked whether ICANN should bring Providers into contractual relationship in order to enforce the URS Rules & Procedures. Another
member said it probably need to be ICANN’s legal department to enforce the rules & procedure<span class="xapple-converted-space">.
</span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l6 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">URS Providers have MoU with ICANN. Whether it is ICANN’s compliance department or legal department to enforce the rules & procedures, it should
not be controversial that Providers must abide by them. </span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l6 level1 lfo5"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">An MOU could be legally enforceable, depending on the circumstances.
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">500-word Complaint limit (page 4-5)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On 500-word Complaint Limit - Practitioners' survey results were split (out of 12, 5 agree it's sufficient, 4 disagree); results included feedback from some that
the word limit was too low: "arbitrary and often insufficient" and "should be slightly increased".</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One member said he understands and generally agrees with the decision not to suggest an expansion of the word limit, he wonders if there aren't situations (multi-
domain challenges, etc.) where a Complainant or Respondent might<span class="xapple-converted-space">
</span>be given the opportunity to request an expansion. This point can be<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>captured for decisional phase.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span class="xapple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Another member suggested that
</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">perhaps providers can provide stats on the average word length of complaints, to see how close to the 500 words they are at present. (i.e. a table of distributions, e.g. 10% under
200 words, 20% between 201 and 300, etc.)</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Amending the Complaint in light of GDPR<span class="xapple-converted-space">/Temp Spec (page 5-6)</span></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One member believes that 2-3 days might not be a good rule (e.g. weekends, time to research, etc.). Maybe 5 business days.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">WIPO’s approach to “doe complaints” has been very helpful and provides some comfort that the lack of<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>true
registrant/registrant organization data masked due to GDPR<span class="xapple-converted-space">
</span>will not result in a deficient complaint for an omitted respondent.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Brian Beckham to send to the WG a WIPO FAQ with regard to “Doe Complaint”.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Forum is asking for amendment of the complaint in UDRP - under the rules that's not allowed in URS.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">SMD Files (page 6-7)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l10 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">SMD files are used for limited purpose of demonstrating the use.
</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l10 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Recollection is that SMD files would be passed to the Examiners and relay the critical information related to the TM registration. That's
why some people are surprised by the limited info SMD files would provide.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l10 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The SMD files contain some basic human-readable information, with the rest of the information coded. For example, the trademark itself is
human-readable but the applicable Nice classification is coded. A SMD file is used by registries/registrars for validation, and as Greg noted, to demonstrate use. From the TMCH provider:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.trademark-2Dclearinghouse.com_help_faq_which-2Dinformation-2Ddoes-2Dsmd-2Dfile-2Dcontain&d=DwMGaQ&c=WO-RGvefibhHBZq3fL85hQ&r=E-M4OQvQBo8UWqE1LwEiDR3PcWlfM0I-0jiI1c4ous0&m=CypdnKxuYaImNW0ttGO-h5FbHiLxMQ2kzt4bzMuwnHU&s=v3df_qE8Dw_U7YY7_IfhIMgGSxt-a44LbNskorrbTIg&e=">
http://www.trademark-clearinghouse.com/help/faq/which-information-does-smd-file-contain</a>
<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l10 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If the intent of the STI was that the SMD file would be a file summary, that got lost somewhere along the way, way before the SMD file was
designed by the TMCH providers.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l10 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Rules 3(b)(v)<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>Specify the trademark(s) or service mark(s) on which the complaint is based and
the goods or services with which the mark is used including evidence of use –which can be a declaration and a specimen of current use in commerce - submitted directly or by including a relevant SMD (Signed Mark Data) from the Trademark Clearinghouse</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l10 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It might be useful to look at the spec that they relied on.<span class="xapple-converted-space">
</span>But the real question is how should the examiner get the relevant data about the Complainant’s mark.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>The SMD file is probably not the answer, if it was ever intended to be.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l10 level1 lfo8"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">the Examiner is not required to second-guess the SMD file.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> Its</span> existence is sufficient that the
mark has had use validated by the TMCH.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Other Topics<span class="xapple-converted-space"> (page 7-8)</span></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">These are policy proposals can be brought up when WG members are proposing changes to the URS policy itself. Charter asks us to address the
question whether the URS should become a consensus policy applicable to legacy domains. Charter is not specific regarding whether such discussion should occur in phase I or phase II. This feedback illustrates that the ST didn't get to propose policy changes,
it is for the WG to discuss and propose changes.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">when we reference the STI and IRT reports, we need to keep in mind they only had about 1-2 months to complete their work and produce a report;
they were not standard PDP working groups and had limited charters and mandates, which were set by the Board</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">This is feedback from one Provider, who may want to grow their business. Practitioners survey are from Complaints' side. Need to have a balanced
solution when considering the input.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo9"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There were plenty of practitioners that represent registrants in the Subgroup, although their experience was largely with the UDRP.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Duration of response period (Page 11)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo10"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One member believes that if the URS continues in its current form, it would affect valuable domain names. The ones the registrants that do
want to defend them, 14 days are not sufficient. 20 days may be more appropriate. It should be based on the age of the domain name. If a domain is 3 months, it will have a shorter period to respond. If you own a domain name for 5-10 years, response period
would be longer so less urgency.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l2 level1 lfo10"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Several other WG members disagree. The URS is supposed to be an expedited proceeding so increasing the length of time of a streamlined proceeding
defeats the purpose.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>At most, there could be an additional 3 or 4 days extension period for cause. The point is that there are enough circumstances that give rise to the URS 'quick response' that we should NOT make
assumptions into policy.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>It is an assumption that an "aged" domain would not require a fast response. In Mexico, we have not been able to file a domain name case due to Courts ignorance about the subject and also,
because it could take years to be solved. We're spinning out fo control - extending the time to respond to URS cases just because a domain registration is not new defeats the purpose of fast action to take down an infringing domain once it's discovered. The
URS is meant to address clear and convincing cases of infringement.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>A person registers a domain name for less than $50 and brand owner find out about at some point and then files an injunction<span class="xapple-converted-space">
</span>in court for tens of thousands of dollars.<span class="xapple-converted-space">
</span>Where is the balance<span class="xapple-converted-space">. </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Examiners Guide (page 13)<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l11 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The WIPO guidance for examiners took 1500 hours to develop.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l11 level1 lfo11"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The WIPO guidance is relevant to the URS, the elements are shown are the same and the differences include the burden of proof, word limit,
etc. A lot of WIPO guidance goes to the shade of grey issues. URS is for clear black/white cases, so if there is a URS guidance it would likely be abbreviated.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Duration of Suspension Period & Review of Implementation<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>(page 21-23)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l12 level1 lfo12"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One WG member suggests to find out how much cost for registries & registrars to comply with the URS rules and procedures. Need to get data/feedback
from the registries/registrars.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l12 level1 lfo12"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Other WG members are not sure "cost of implementation of URS" for Registries/Registrars is relevant to effectiveness of URS. We don't need
to do a cost/benefit analysis (the costs & benefits aren't ICANN's), the providers, registrars, registries need to be asked if they are overburdened by the costs of compliance.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l12 level1 lfo12"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">There is an action item to contact the registries/registrars about these issues. Timing TBD due to Sunrise & Claims survey launch.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Other topics (page 23-24)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l8 level1 lfo13"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">One WG member thinks the HSTS issue is not difficult to fix. The Providers need to improve their technical applicability<span class="xapple-converted-space"> to
resolve the issue. Renee Fossen from Forum disagrees. </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l8 level1 lfo13"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">: Renee Fossen to provide more information on HSTS-preloaded
domain suspension issues in the written responses.</span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="xp1"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">NEXT STEPS<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l9 level1 lfo14"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">: Staff to recirculate the Super Consolidated URS
Topics Table document and ask all WG members to provide substantive comment and raise anything they believe is missing on the WG mailing list by COB Tue, 14 Aug. Co-Chairs will then discuss among themselves to determine further actions/process.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l9 level1 lfo14"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ACTION ITEM</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">: WG to finish reviewing the rest of the Super Consolidated
URS Topics Table document, including page 24-35. Later period to discuss larger policy issues.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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