<div dir="ltr">I agree that it's not an issue that will arise with frequency, however these types of issues do arise, they do create costs for the Registries/Registrars. In fact, like George pointed out, it arises when a TM Holder prevails in URS, then decides that it actually wants possession of the domain, and subsequently files a UDRP.<div><br></div><div>My main point was that, in addition to the day to day time commitments, there are unpredictable legal costs associated with the administration of URS/UDRP (in part because rule sets laws or contracts cannot cover all scenarios without being inefficiently burdensome). </div><div><br></div><div>That's why it makes sense for there to be a cost-recovery mechanism, so that the Registries/Registrars can be compensated costs related to administration overhead in the same way that NAF/WIPO are compensated.</div><div><br></div><div>Jonathan</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 2:19 PM Doug Isenberg <Doug@giga.law> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_-7229950295479970140WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Jonathan, this seems like a very discrete issue that is unlikely to arise with any frequency. (Actually, now that I reread your email, I’m not even sure what a “lifetime lock” is in the context of a URS proceeding – can you explain?) I’d love to know of any real-life disputes that fit the situation you’ve described.<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Doug<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jonathan Frost <jonathan@get.club> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:59 PM<br><b>To:</b> Doug@giga.law<br><b>Cc:</b> gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] URS / UDRP proposals -- data on registrar/registry compliance costs<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">For instance, there is ambiguity about what action a registry should take when a domain which is already the subject of a URS judgement & lifetime lock receives a UDPR judgement that requires unlock & transfer. The URS rules don't account for this situation, and by their letter, require that the domain not be unlocked. However, the registries are also required to comply with consensus policies (such as UDRP).<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 1:47 PM Doug Isenberg <<a href="mailto:Doug@giga.law" target="_blank">Doug@giga.law</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">What are some of the “ambiguities in complying with the rules”?<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Doug<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jonathan Frost<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 5, 2018 1:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank">icann@leap.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] URS / UDRP proposals -- data on registrar/registry compliance costs<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I agree that Registries and Registrars need to be able to recover the cost of administering the URS/UDRPs, as part of the filing fee. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">The costs that the Registries/Registrars bear actually goes beyond what Reg has said. There are situations where we have to go to outside counsel or even ICANN to resolve ambiguities in complying with the rules. Additionally, the 24 hour action requirement on locking a domain that has received a URS complaint actually increases the resources that have to be dedicated, beyond the actual number of minutes per complaint, because compliance personal has to allocate/reserve a certain time per day to perform the tasks, even if no complaint is received that day.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Just like the arbitration administrators charge a cost recovery fee for administration as part of the filing fee, it's just common since that the Registries/Registrars would too. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan Frost<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>gnso-rpm-wg mailing list<br><a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br><a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg" target="_blank">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
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