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    Dear Scott:<br>
    <br>
    The owner of a trademark doesn't have the exclusive right to use
    that trademark in a domain name. Others can use it, either to sell
    goods or services in different geographic or product markets, to
    criticize the rightsholder, or simply to use it in good faith as a
    word or phrase with independent meaning. Cybersquatting and other
    unlawful uses of a trademark have always required bad faith on the
    part of the user, and the absence of any independent right to use
    the mark. Likelihood of confusion alone has never been enough. <br>
    <br>
    Because the illegal use of a domain name has always turned on the
    circumstances and bad faith of the user, there can be no presumption
    that future uses will be illegitimate. If "Example" were a popular
    brand of clothing, then example.xyz may well be "attractive[] to
    cybersquatters" and have "potential to benefit from confusing
    similarity with a registered mark." But that's irrelevant to a
    blogger who wants to criticize Example Clothing's labor practices, a
    different business called Example that sells sheet metal, and many
    other legitimate users who also have the "potential to benefit" from
    the use of that domain name. One person who registers example.xyz in
    bad faith and loses a URS proceeding does not diminish the rights of
    those future users. Nor does one URS proceeding give Example
    Clothing superior rights in the domain name over Example Sheet Metal
    or the labor activist. <br>
    <br>
    Either a "lifetime" suspension or a right of first refusal would
    effectively create a presumption of bad faith on the part of future
    users. There's no basis for that in trademark law. Either proposal
    would elevate the rights of trademark holders above anything granted
    by national law, and above the rights of other legitimate users.
    That's an extraordinary ask.<br>
        Mitch<br>
    <br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Mitch Stoltz
Senior Staff Attorney, EFF | 415-436-9333 x142
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/8/18 2:32 PM, Scott Austin wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Mitch:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><br>
            The balance of what equities? It is easy to assume away the
            problem speculating that “A subsequent user could use a
            domain name legitimately”.  There is nothing in your comment
            that supports this speculation that the domain name once
            released from suspension would be available to or of
            interest to fewer cybersquatters. In fact it may now have
            alerted new ones to its potential.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Before
            the suspension the odds may have been even that the domain
            could be put to legitimate or illegitimate use. Once the
            domain has demonstrated its capacity for attractiveness to
            cybersquatters for illegitimate use through confusing
            similarity to a registered mark that resulted in URS
            suspension, the odds are more likely the domain, now
            established as having verified potential to benefit from
            confusing similarity with a registered mark, would have
            gained a cybersquatting seal of approval and perhaps the
            attention of a wider audience.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">What
            is your evidence that the domain post suspension is more
            likely to be used for legitimate purposes. Clearly at least
            one registrant was attracted to the domain and found value
            in it for illegitimate use. Why not others? More
            importantly, what is to prevent that same registrant, masked
            under the guise of a new entity, from returning for a second
            bite at the apple when suspension ends and the domain is
            once again at market? Especially when there is no vetting of
            the true ownership of a new entity that could be used by the
            former cybersquatting registrant’s owner to apply for its
            second round of illegitimate use.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Shorter
            suspension periods mean the domain is more quickly cycled
            back into the queue for, more likely, another round of whack
            a mole deterrence on the part of the trademark holder. That
            is assuming another battle on a different domain name front
            hasn’t weakened or distracted their vigilance at the time
            suspension ends.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">There
            is no transfer remedy under the URS, but would you be
            adverse Mitch to granting a successful complainant a right
            of first opportunity to register the disputed domain when
            suspension ends? If not why not? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              R. Austin | Board Certified Intellectual Property Attorney
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">
                gnso-rpm-wg <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"><gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a>
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mitch Stoltz<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 7, 2018 5:14 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] URS / UDRP proposals
                -- data on registrar/registry compliance costs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Cybersquatting requires bad faith. (URS
          Procedure 1.2.6.3). A subsequent user could use a domain name
          legitimately, even if a previous user did not. The "doctrine
          of inevitable confusion" does not transform a trademark into a
          global right to prevent the use of a word in a domain name for
          all purposes. And a finding that a domain name has been
          registered in bad faith doesn't create a presumption that
          future registrants will also register the domain in bad faith.
          So I agree with Paul and Jonathan that the balance of equities
          favors a shorter suspension.<br>
               Mitch<br>
          <br>
          <span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <pre>Mitch Stoltz<o:p></o:p></pre>
        <pre>Senior Staff Attorney, EFF | 415-436-9333 x142<o:p></o:p></pre>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">On 9/7/18 1:14 PM, Scott Austin wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Paul:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">If the domain that has been suspended
              had already been proven to be essentially identical to a
              registered  mark how does your assumption of a subsequent
              "legitimate" use square with the doctrine of inevitable
              confusion. Won't putting the same conflicting domain back
              on the market merely accommodate and facilitate old
              cybersquatting wine in a new registrant bottle? And ensure
              whack a mole for the trademark holder.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Scott<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Scott<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                  style="font-size:9.5pt;color:#575757">Sent from my
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">-------- Original message --------<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">From: Paul Keating <a
                href="mailto:paul@law.es" moz-do-not-send="true"><paul@law.es></a>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Date: 9/7/18 1:23 PM (GMT-05:00) <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">To: "BECKHAM, Brian" <a
                href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int"
                moz-do-not-send="true">
                <brian.beckham@wipo.int></a> <o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Cc: gnso-rpm-wg <a
                href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"
                moz-do-not-send="true"><gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org></a>
              <o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] URS / UDRP
              proposals -- data on registrar/registry compliance costs
              <o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"> Brian, <o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">I think that the lock should remain
                for the balance of the remaining year. I doubt anyone
                was thinking of long-term registrations when the rule
                was created.    If the registration was for a longer
                period then the domain expires.  I understand this means
                that bad actors can continue to potentially mis use a
                domain.  However, the balance of equities IMHO rests in
                favor of freeing up the domain for other legitimate use.<o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                <div id="AppleMailSignature">
                  <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                    On 7 Sep 2018, at 17:29, BECKHAM, Brian <<a
                      href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                  <div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Paul,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">I
                          could be wrong and invite him to correct me,
                          but I think, with respect, that Jonathan is
                          incorrectly using the URS terminology of the
                          suspension for the
                          <i>duration of the life of the domain name</i>
                          incorrectly as the concept of a “<i>lifetime
                            lock</i>” (and certainly I did not read it
                          as a proposal for such duration).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">What
                          you rightly note however, is that the an
                          extended suspension locks out third parties
                          from using a domain name for whatever that
                          duration is (whether 1, 2, 5 years, or even in
                          perpetuity).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
                        </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
                          1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
                              gnso-rpm-wg [<a
                                href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Keating<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 07, 2018
                              4:13 PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> Jonathan Frost<br>
                              <b>Cc:</b> gnso-rpm-wg<br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] URS /
                              UDRP proposals -- data on
                              registrar/registry compliance costs</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                      <div>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal">The idea of an unlimited
                            lock on a domain is absurd. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Trademarks are limited
                              both jurisdictionally and bu
                              goods/services classification. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">To justify a permanent
                              lock the trademark holder would have to
                              satisfy a huge burden. Essentially having
                              to prove the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">1   the mark is
                              registered globally in all jurisdictions. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">2.  The mark is
                              globally famous such that it’s recognition
                              transcends any and all goods/services
                              classifications.  The mark must truly be a
                              household name.  (Think Coca Cola blue
                              jeans. There are not many marks that would
                              satisfy these requirements. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">3. Even if famous
                              jurisdictions differ widely in the
                              applicable law and factors necessary to
                              determine fame. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">3. The URS/UDRP is
                              simply NOT an appropriate forum for such a
                              determination. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">4. Any limitation based
                              upon time is insufficient. First a
                              trademark lapses<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Only as a result of
                              non-use or failure to renew. It is not
                              like a parent or copyright - both both of
                              which were designed to be of limited
                              duration.   This any absolute time
                              reference would require one to constantly
                              monitor continued validity. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">5. Given that there are
                              non-conflicting uses for a phrase that is
                              also a trademark such a rule would both
                              provide an unfair advantage to the
                              trademark holder and limit the rights of
                              others who may wish to use the same phrase
                              for non conflicting purposes. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">6. Many non infringing
                              use cases exist - the basis of fair use.
                              Fair use is present in virtually every
                              Trulaw underlying trademarks.<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">7.   The original WIPO
                              White Paper issued in 1999 clearly
                              formulated the foundational policy that
                              the UDRP was NOT intended to expand
                              trademark rights beyond those which
                              existed outside the Internet. I see no
                              reason to question the logic of that
                              foundational policy statement. I further
                              cannot see any reason why the URS should
                              be treated differently. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Let’s stop this silly
                              discussion. It is an example of gross over
                              reaching. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal">Paul Keating. <o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <p class="MsoNormal"
                                style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>
                                On 6 Sep 2018, at 21:03, Jonathan Frost
                                <<a href="mailto:jonathan@get.club"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">jonathan@get.club</a>>
                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote
                              style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                              <div>
                                <div>
                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Your point about
                                    the 10 year max is well taken,
                                    Maxim.  I would venture a guess that
                                    most domains that are the subject of
                                    abuse are not registered for long
                                    periods though.  <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">I would be
                                      concerned about the operational
                                      overhead of removing locks from
                                      the domains on a specific date. 
                                      While you're right that a lock (or
                                      any requirement whatever) can be
                                      overridden by the order of a court
                                      of competent jurisdiction, I think
                                      that building in specific dates in
                                      the distant future where a lock
                                      should be removed could increase
                                      operational overhead.   <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></p>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                    <div>
                                      <div>
                                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep
                                          6, 2018 at 12:45 PM Maxim
                                          Alzoba <<a
                                            href="mailto:m.alzoba@gmail.com"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">m.alzoba@gmail.com</a>>
                                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                      </div>
                                      <blockquote
                                        style="border:none;border-left:solid
                                        #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in
                                        0in
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
                                        <div>
                                          <p class="MsoNormal">Hello
                                            Jonathan, <o:p></o:p></p>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal">I am
                                              resending it (was not
                                              processed by gnso-rpm-wg@
                                              list).<o:p></o:p></p>
                                          </div>
                                          <div>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                            <div>
                                              <div>
                                                <div>
                                                  <p class="MsoNormal">I
                                                    think lifetime lock
                                                    (if at all) should
                                                    be limited to the
                                                    lifetime of the TM
                                                    registration, <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">to
                                                      avoid dumping of
                                                      some strings for
                                                      no reason (when
                                                      there is no TM
                                                      holder to
                                                      protect, <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">what
                                                      is the reason for
                                                      locking?)<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">Also,
                                                        all
                                                        registrations
                                                        terms are
                                                        limited to the
                                                        time of Registry
                                                        contract with
                                                        ICANN (10
                                                        years), so at
                                                        the best it can
                                                        be 10 years, and
                                                        not a single day
                                                        more.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">So
                                                        either we do not
                                                        use this idea,
                                                        or we will have
                                                        to create
                                                        mechanism of
                                                        removing such
                                                        lifetime-10years-lock,
                                                        preferably using
                                                        the current
                                                        system<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">(for
                                                        example, TM
                                                        database to
                                                        which URS
                                                        complainant of
                                                        that time
                                                        referred to ,
                                                        does not have
                                                        the entry no
                                                        more, <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">so
                                                        the party
                                                        seeking for the
                                                        registration can
                                                        start a process,
                                                        might be even
                                                        with the same
                                                        price of filing
                                                        via the same URS
                                                        provider, or
                                                        it's successor).<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal">p.s:
                                                        any kind of such
                                                        lock can be
                                                        overridden by a
                                                        simple village
                                                        court in the
                                                        same
                                                        jurisdiction as
                                                        the particular
                                                        registry is
                                                        based.<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Sincerely Yours,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Maxim Alzoba<br>
                                                          Special
                                                          projects
                                                          manager,<br>
                                                          International
                                                          Relations
                                                          Department,<br>
                                                          FAITID<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          m. +7 916
                                                          6761580(+whatsapp)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">skype oldfrogger</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">Current UTC offset:
                                                          +3.00
                                                          (.Moscow)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                        </div>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                      </div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          5 Sep 2018, at
                                                          20:59,
                                                          Jonathan Frost
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:jonathan@get.club"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jonathan@get.club</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                        </div>
                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">For
                                                          instance,
                                                          there is
                                                          ambiguity
                                                          about what
                                                          action a
                                                          registry
                                                          should take
                                                          when a domain
                                                          which is
                                                          already the
                                                          subject of a
                                                          URS judgement
                                                          & lifetime
                                                          lock receives
                                                          a UDPR
                                                          judgement that
                                                          requires
                                                          unlock &
                                                          transfer.  The
                                                          URS rules
                                                          don't account
                                                          for this
                                                          situation, and
                                                          by their
                                                          letter,
                                                          require that
                                                          the domain not
                                                          be unlocked. 
                                                          However, the
                                                          registries are
                                                          also required
                                                          to comply with
                                                          consensus
                                                          policies (such
                                                          as UDRP).<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Jonathan<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Wed, Sep 5,
                                                          2018 at 1:47
                                                          PM Doug
                                                          Isenberg <<a
href="mailto:Doug@giga.law" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Doug@giga.law</a>>
                                                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">What
                                                          are some of
                                                          the
                                                          “ambiguities
                                                          in complying
                                                          with the
                                                          rules”?<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Doug<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                                          gnso-rpm-wg
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
                                                          <b>On Behalf
                                                          Of </b>Jonathan
                                                          Frost<br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Wednesday,
                                                          September 5,
                                                          2018 1:15 PM<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:icann@leap.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">icann@leap.com</a><br>
                                                          <b>Cc:</b>
                                                          gnso-rpm-wg
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re:
                                                          [gnso-rpm-wg]
                                                          URS / UDRP
                                                          proposals --
                                                          data on
                                                          registrar/registry
                                                          compliance
                                                          costs<o:p></o:p></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          agree that
                                                          Registries and
                                                          Registrars
                                                          need to be
                                                          able to
                                                          recover the
                                                          cost of
                                                          administering
                                                          the URS/UDRPs,
                                                          as part of the
                                                          filing fee. 
                                                            <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">The
                                                          costs that the
Registries/Registrars bear actually goes beyond what Reg has said. 
                                                          There are
                                                          situations
                                                          where we have
                                                          to go to
                                                          outside
                                                          counsel or
                                                          even ICANN to
                                                          resolve
                                                          ambiguities in
                                                          complying with
                                                          the rules.   
                                                          Additionally,
                                                          the 24 hour
                                                          action
                                                          requirement on
                                                          locking a
                                                          domain that
                                                          has received a
                                                          URS complaint
                                                          actually
                                                          increases the
                                                          resources that
                                                          have to be
                                                          dedicated,
                                                          beyond the
                                                          actual number
                                                          of minutes per
                                                          complaint,
                                                          because
                                                          compliance
                                                          personal has
                                                          to
                                                          allocate/reserve
                                                          a certain time
                                                          per day to
                                                          perform the
                                                          tasks, even if
                                                          no complaint
                                                          is received
                                                          that day.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Just
                                                          like the
                                                          arbitration
                                                          administrators
                                                          charge a cost
                                                          recovery fee
                                                          for
                                                          administration
                                                          as part of the
                                                          filing fee,
                                                          it's just
                                                          common since
                                                          that the
                                                          Registries/Registrars
                                                          would too.  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Jonathan
                                                          Frost<o:p></o:p></p>
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