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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose">Thanks for your feedback, Susan.<o:p></o:p></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">A few additional personal comments—<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">It appears from the ICE press release that a number of other national law enforcement agencies may have been involved in the seizures.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">While the seizure may have been “free” to the trademark owner if the domain was one that met the criteria for bringing a UDRP or URS, there
is considerable expenditure of public funds in these efforts. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">These law enforcement agency domain actions are directed at criminal activity, whereas the great majority of UDRP and URS actions focus on
domains that could be the subject of civil trademark litigation. I would not favor eliminating the availability of self-help to trademark registrants via non-judicial RPMs, but one unintended result of doing so might be to encourage some trademark owners to
seek law enforcement actions against domains that previously would have merited the filing of a UDRP or URS.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Best to all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose">Philip<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Philip S. Corwin<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Policy Counsel<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">VeriSign, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span lang="EN" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">12061 Bluemont Way<br>
Reston, VA 20190<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">703-948-4648/Direct<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">571-342-7489/Cell<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<o:p></o:p></span></i></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> GNSO-RPM-WG [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Payne<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 04, 2019 5:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> George Kirikos <icann@leap.com>; gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] ICE domain name seizures -- potential source of data for RPM PDP?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">I completely agree with Phil's comments.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">In addition:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">1. Can we try to remember that not all rights infringement or enforcement happens in the US or has a US-connection. From ICE's website the mission is "to protect the national security and public safety
<b>of the United States</b> by disrupting and dismantling transnational criminal organizations that engage in cross-border crime".
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">2. Also from ICE's website: "Due to the lapse in federal funding, this website will not be actively managed". Presumably there are also other impacts on ICE activity, and this is hardly the first time this has happened.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Let's not argue for replacement of ICANN measures by a so-called "free" option which is not available to all, where any action taken depends on the US's current priorities, and whose funding generally is subject to
whatever US political squabble happens to be occurring.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Susan Payne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Head of Legal Policy <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Valideus <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">28-30 Little Russell Street<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">London WC1A 2HN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">United Kingdom<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">E: <a href="mailto:susan.payne@valideus.com">
susan.payne@valideus.com</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://www.valideus.com">www.valideus.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Liability cannot be accepted for statements made which are clearly the sender’s own and not made on behalf of Valideus.
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">From: GNSO-RPM-WG [<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of George Kirikos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Sent: 02 January 2019 21:13<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">To: gnso-rpm-wg <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] ICE domain name seizures -- potential source of data for RPM PDP?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Theo,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">If it was only about copyright issues, then the list will likely be useless, as I agree that it's out of our scope.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">But, it's possible (as per the TechDirt article) that it was actually TM issues too, in which case ICE might have gone after cybersquatting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">One will be able to quickly determine things by looking at the actual list of domains.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">In the last paragraph of the TechDirt article, the author writes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">"I've fired off a FOIA request asking for the details of these "seized" domains and the communications with those industry partners.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Should ICE ever decide to obey the law and respond to the FOIA, we'll share it here."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">But, perhaps someone else here already has the list and is allowed to publish it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">George Kirikos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">416-588-0269<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><a href="http://www.leap.com/">http://www.leap.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 4:03 PM theo geurts <<a href="mailto:gtheo@xs4all.nl">gtheo@xs4all.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> Hi George,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> Is a full list going to help us here? ICE is focussed on copyright "issues."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> Sure we can discuss if they do it correctly or not, but it seems to be
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> out of our scope.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> Our bylaws are pretty clear, not to mention;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> <a href="https://www.icann.org/news/blog/icann-is-not-the-internet-content-poli">
https://www.icann.org/news/blog/icann-is-not-the-internet-content-poli</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> ce<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> Feel free to correct me, I somewhat lost track of this group, so I
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> apologize in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> Theo Geurts CIPP/E<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> On 2-1-2019 17:48, George Kirikos wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > Hi folks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > Happy New Year.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > There was news about ICE seizing over 1 million domain names, see:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > <a href="https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/over-million-websites-seized-globa">
https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/over-million-websites-seized-globa</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > l-operation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > <a href="https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20181213/18030341224/ice-seizes-ov">
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20181213/18030341224/ice-seizes-ov</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > er-1-million-websites-with-no-due-process-apparently-unaware-that-co<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > pyright-trademark-are-different.shtml<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > I was curious whether anyone (maybe a registrar, registry, or TM
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > holders who were involved, i.e. the "industry partners") has and can
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > share the complete list of domain names that were seized, as that
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > might be a potential source of data for our work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > George Kirikos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > 416-588-0269<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > <a href="http://www.leap.com/">http://www.leap.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > GNSO-RPM-WG mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > <a href="mailto:GNSO-RPM-WG@icann.org">
GNSO-RPM-WG@icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-GB">> > <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg">
https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-rpm-wg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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