<div dir="ltr"><div>I agree with Lori that Deloitte is doing their absolute best to follow "the letter of the law" so to speak, i.e. what is contained in the Applicant Guidebook, and that they have generated accurate results in that regard. </div><div><br></div><div>I understand that we may have different points of view, so this would be another area where it would be benefit from Deloitte being invited to participate on our call next week to inform our discussions on the current state of play, implications of any potential changes from a policy and implementation perspective, and so we are all clear on where things stand on questions #7 and #8.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Claudio<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 2:38 PM Tushnet, Rebecca <<a href="mailto:rtushnet@law.harvard.edu">rtushnet@law.harvard.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid">
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The answers from Deloitte don’t reflect this claim. They reflect a policy of putting in whatever can fit, extracting any text at all from any mark, disclaimed or not. That’s not indicative of any thought or policy based in substance. <br>
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On Sep 11, 2019, at 1:04 PM, Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org" target="_blank">lschulman@inta.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with that. Deloitte has come up with guidelines and procedures that show that thought has been put into the process and they are not letting just anything in. We can’t agree on our terminology, how can we expect them to do it?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com" target="_blank">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>; Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org" target="_blank">lschulman@inta.org</a>>;
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julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Speaking personally, I’m not sure I agree with the supposition that “Deloitte accepts marks too readily” especially given the lack of clarity on an agreed definition of text only/standard character marks. In fact, that is the very core
of the discusions around Kathy and Zak’s proposal. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11 September 2019 at 18:37:05 CEST, Corwin, Philip via GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">Thanks Lori.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">We seem to be closing the gap. Given that there is general agreement within the WG that Deloitte accepts design marks too readily, but some remaining disagreement about how to address that, this co-chair
hopes that wide support can at least be found for those elements of a response on which there is broad agreement.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lori Schulman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com" target="_blank">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">Dear All,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">We have had some side line conversations regarding the proposal below. I informed Zak separately and wish to conveny that this is where the IPC currently stands:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="background:white;color:red"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>all<< words, it <i>does not</i> enter TMCH.
</span></span><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">– IPC agrees. </span></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<li class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="background:white;color:red"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>some but not all words<< it <i>does </i>enters the TMCH. </span></span><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">–
IPC agrees. </span></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<li class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="background:white;color:red"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">Where a design mark with words is permitted into the TMCH, it entitles the mark holder to a Claims Notice, but not a Sunrise
priority. – </span></span><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">The IPC disagrees as this would undermine the purpose of registering with the TMCH to begin with.
</span></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<li class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="background:white"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">The Claims Notice would have to specify inter alia, that it is notifying prospective registrants of someone claiming to have rights corresponding to the
domain name, but that not in all cases does having a design mark confer rights over the words inside, or something to that effect. <span style="color:red">– The IPC is willing to discuss this proposal. We agree in principle that language that is not well
understood or could frighten an unsophisticated applicant should be revised. However, the notice should not be providing legal advice or any advice about effects of certain types of trademark registrations.</span></span></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<li class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="background:white"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">Design marks consisting of a single letter, e.g. a stylized or graphical “i”, whether disclaimed or not, do not go into the TMCH.
<span style="color:red">– The IPC does not agree as this outcome is contrary to trademark law.
</span></span></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">In general, it appears that Greg’s proposal addresses 3 and 5. To what degree to people object? We see the proposal as creating a solution for a small problem with significant, unintended consequences.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">There are objections procedures for domains registered during Sunrise period and we believe that these procedures should be highlighted as remedy for the concerns that registrant’s have regarding this
issue.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">Thank you for opening the dialog and we look forward to more discussion where we can find compromise.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Zak Muscovitch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com" target="_blank">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">Dear Co-chairs, Staff and WG members, please see below a revised proposal regarding Question #7 (TMCH/Design Marks):</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<li class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="background:white"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>all<< words, it <i>does not</i> enter TMCH.</span></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<li class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="background:white"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>some but not all words<< it <i>does </i>enters the TMCH. </span></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<li class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="background:white"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">Where a design mark with words is permitted into the TMCH, it entitles the mark holder to a Claims Notice, but not a Sunrise priority.</span></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<li class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="background:white"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">The Claims Notice would have to specify inter alia, that it is notifying prospective registrants of someone claiming to have rights corresponding to the
domain name, but that not in all cases does having a design mark confer rights over the words inside, or something to that effect. </span></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<li class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="background:white"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">Design marks consisting of a single letter, e.g. a stylized or graphical “i”, whether disclaimed or not, do not go into the TMCH.</span></span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">This proposal has been circulated amongst some stakeholders for feedback (with mixed results), however I am now sharing it with the entire Working Group.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Zak Muscovitch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> September-04-19 1:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org" target="_blank">lschulman@inta.org</a>>; Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com" target="_blank">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><span class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null1"><span lang="EN-CA">Attached is the redline version. Apologies for only sending it now.
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b>From:</b> Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org" target="_blank">lschulman@inta.org</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> September-04-19 12:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com" target="_blank">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>; Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com" target="_blank">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">Hi,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">Support Phil’s suggestion and a post call redline per my earlier message.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">Thank you.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><b>From:</b> Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com" target="_blank">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 04, 2019 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com" target="_blank">zak@muscovitch.com</a>; Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org" target="_blank">lschulman@inta.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-766387412846450243null" style="margin:0in 0in 0pt">Zak:<br>
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As we reviewed all the proposals last week, I would suggest that you focus in your presentation on what changes you and Kathy have made to the original and the rationale for doing so.<br>
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Philip<br>
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Philip S. Corwin<br>
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Policy Counsel<br>
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VeriSign, Inc.<br>
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12061 Bluemont Way<br>
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703-948-4648/Direct<br>
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571-342-7489/Cell<br>
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"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<br>
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From: GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org%3e" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> On Behalf Of Zak Muscovitch<br>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 12:36 PM<br>
To: Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org%3e" target="_blank">lschulman@inta.org></a>; Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org%3e" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org></a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br>
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Lori, I'm trying to get one together, not sure I will be able to unfortunately. <br>
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Muscovitch Law P.C.<br>
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<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com" target="_blank">zak@muscovitch.com</a><br>
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416-924-5084<br>
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From: Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org%3e" target="_blank">lschulman@inta.org></a>
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Sent: September-04-19 12:08 PM<br>
To: Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com%3e" target="_blank">zak@muscovitch.com></a>; Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org%3e" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org></a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: RE: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br>
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Hi,<br>
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Thank you for this. As this is so close to the call, do you have a redline so we can compare the changes quickly? It would be most helpful to be prepared on a quick notice.<br>
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Lori S. Schulman<br>
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Senior Director, Internet Policy<br>
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International Trademark Association (INTA)<br>
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+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman<br>
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From: GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org%3e" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> On Behalf Of Zak Muscovitch<br>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 11:45 AM<br>
To: Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org%3e" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org></a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br>
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Dear Co-Chairs, Working Group Members, and Staff,<br>
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Further to the call last week and further to the below Agenda for today's call, please see the attached updated proposal re: Question #7, from Kathy Kleiman and myself.
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You will note therein, that the revised proposal contains some revised language, some revised rationale, and a potential alternative to the existing rule for discussion purposes.<br>
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Zak Muscovitch<br>
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General Counsel, ICA<br>
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Muscovitch Law P.C.<br>
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<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com" target="_blank">zak@muscovitch.com</a><br>
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From: GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org%3e" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund<br>
Sent: September-03-19 1:02 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br>
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Dear RPM WG members, <br>
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Please find the agenda and materials for the WG meeting tomorrow, Wednesday, 04 September at 17:00-18:30 UTC.
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Please note the following actions captured from last week's meeting and sent to the list last week:<br>
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Actions:<br>
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1. Revision of Existing Proposals: For consideration at the meeting on Wednesday, 04 September, RPM PDP WG members who had previously submitted proposals relating to the Open TMCH Questions (see attached) may offer revised proposals that take into consideration
the work completed by the WG since the proposals were originally submitted.<br>
2. New Proposals: For consideration at the meeting on Wednesday, 04 September, RPM PDP WG members may submit new proposals relating to Charter questions 7, 8, and 10.<br>
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Please send suggested revisions or new proposals by COB today, 03 September, if at all possible.<br>
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Proposed Agenda:<br>
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1. Review Agenda and Updates to Statements of Interest<br>
2. Proposals relating to Open TMCH Charter Questions (see attached Summary document. It is the same as the May 2017 version but with formatting for readability and text from relevant TMCH and AGB references):
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