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<p class="MsoNormal">To me, “too readily” applies some lack of duty of care as opposed to true interpretative difference. But that is a nit, I do think that we are ready to figure this out. It’s an important issue that does require some solid, unambiguous
recommendations from this group.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lori<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">Lori S. Schulman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">Senior Director, Internet Policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">International Trademark Association (INTA)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Paul Keating <Paul@law.es> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lori Schulman <lschulman@inta.org>; BECKHAM, Brian <brian.beckham@wipo.int>; Corwin, Philip <pcorwin@verisign.com>; zak@muscovitch.com; julie.hedlund@icann.org; gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Well I seem to recall spending a considerable amount of time asking for at least exemplars of marks but that effort was blocked. I also recall that the operative instructions under which Deloite is acting precludes accepting design marks
but that they in fact were accepting them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So….. Not sure what the objection is to the email from Phil.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul Keating<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org">lschulman@inta.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:04 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>"BECKHAM, Brian" <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>>, "Corwin, Philip" <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>, Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>,
"<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">I agree with that. Deloitte has come up with guidelines and procedures that show that thought has been put into the process and they are not letting just anything in. We can’t agree on our terminology, how can
we expect them to do it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">Lori S. Schulman</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">Senior Director, Internet Policy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">International Trademark Association (INTA)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>; Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org">lschulman@inta.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a>; <a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">
julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Speaking personally, I’m not sure I agree with the supposition that “Deloitte accepts marks too readily” especially given the lack of clarity on an agreed definition of text only/standard character marks. In fact,
that is the very core of the discusions around Kathy and Zak’s proposal. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On 11 September 2019 at 18:37:05 CEST, Corwin, Philip via GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks Lori.<o:p></o:p></p>
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We seem to be closing the gap. Given that there is general agreement within the WG that Deloitte accepts design marks too readily, but some remaining disagreement about how to address that, this co-chair hopes that wide support can at least be found for those
elements of a response on which there is broad agreement. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>From:</b> GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lori Schulman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">
gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<o:p></o:p></p>
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Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p>
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We have had some side line conversations regarding the proposal below. I informed Zak separately and wish to conveny that this is where the IPC currently stands:<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>all<< words, it <i>does not</i> enter TMCH.
</span></span><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:red">– IPC agrees.
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>some but not all words<< it <i>does </i>enters the TMCH. </span></span><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:red">–
IPC agrees. </span></span><span style="color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:black">Where a design mark with words is permitted into the TMCH, it entitles the mark holder to a Claims Notice, but not a Sunrise priority. –
</span></span><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA" style="color:red">The IPC disagrees as this would undermine the purpose of registering with the TMCH to begin with.
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</span></span><![endif]><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA">The Claims Notice would have to specify inter alia, that it is notifying prospective registrants of someone claiming to have rights corresponding to the domain name, but that not in all cases does
having a design mark confer rights over the words inside, or something to that effect. <span style="color:red">– The IPC is willing to discuss this proposal. We agree in principle that language that is not well understood or could frighten an unsophisticated
applicant should be revised. However, the notice should not be providing legal advice or any advice about effects of certain types of trademark registrations.</span></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA">Design marks consisting of a single letter, e.g. a stylized or graphical “i”, whether disclaimed or not, do not go into the TMCH.
<span style="color:red">– The IPC does not agree as this outcome is contrary to trademark law.
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In general, it appears that Greg’s proposal addresses 3 and 5. To what degree to people object? We see the proposal as creating a solution for a small problem with significant, unintended consequences.<o:p></o:p></p>
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There are objections procedures for domains registered during Sunrise period and we believe that these procedures should be highlighted as remedy for the concerns that registrant’s have regarding this issue.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thank you for opening the dialog and we look forward to more discussion where we can find compromise.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>From:</b> GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Zak Muscovitch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:36 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">
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<b>Subject:</b> [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA">Dear Co-chairs, Staff and WG members, please see below a revised proposal regarding Question #7 (TMCH/Design Marks):</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA">As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>all<< words, it <i>does not</i> enter TMCH.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA">As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>some but not all words<< it <i>does </i>enters the TMCH. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA">Where a design mark with words is permitted into the TMCH, it entitles the mark holder to a Claims Notice, but not a Sunrise priority.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span><![endif]><span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA">The Claims Notice would have to specify inter alia, that it is notifying prospective registrants of someone claiming to have rights corresponding to the domain name, but that not in all cases does
having a design mark confer rights over the words inside, or something to that effect. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA">This proposal has been circulated amongst some stakeholders for feedback (with mixed results), however I am now sharing it with the entire Working Group.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>From:</b> GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Zak Muscovitch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> September-04-19 1:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org">lschulman@inta.org</a>>; Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">
gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="null1"><span lang="EN-CA">Attached is the redline version. Apologies for only sending it now.
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<b>From:</b> Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org">lschulman@inta.org</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> September-04-19 12:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>; Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">
gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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Support Phil’s suggestion and a post call redline per my earlier message.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span class="null1"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959">+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>From:</b> Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 04, 2019 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a>; Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org">lschulman@inta.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">
gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
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Zak:<br>
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As we reviewed all the proposals last week, I would suggest that you focus in your presentation on what changes you and Kathy have made to the original and the rationale for doing so.<br>
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Philip S. Corwin<br>
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Policy Counsel<br>
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VeriSign, Inc.<br>
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12061 Bluemont Way<br>
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703-948-4648/Direct<br>
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571-342-7489/Cell<br>
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"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<br>
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From: GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org%3e">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> On Behalf Of Zak Muscovitch<br>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 12:36 PM<br>
To: Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org%3e">lschulman@inta.org></a>; Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org%3e">julie.hedlund@icann.org></a>;
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br>
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Lori, I'm trying to get one together, not sure I will be able to unfortunately. <br>
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Muscovitch Law P.C.<br>
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<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a><br>
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From: Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org%3e">lschulman@inta.org></a>
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Sent: September-04-19 12:08 PM<br>
To: Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com%3e">zak@muscovitch.com></a>; Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org%3e">julie.hedlund@icann.org></a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: RE: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br>
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Hi,<br>
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Thank you for this. As this is so close to the call, do you have a redline so we can compare the changes quickly? It would be most helpful to be prepared on a quick notice.<br>
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Lori S. Schulman<br>
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Senior Director, Internet Policy<br>
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International Trademark Association (INTA)<br>
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+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman<br>
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From: GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org%3e">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> On Behalf Of Zak Muscovitch<br>
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 11:45 AM<br>
To: Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org%3e">julie.hedlund@icann.org></a>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br>
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Dear Co-Chairs, Working Group Members, and Staff,<br>
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Further to the call last week and further to the below Agenda for today's call, please see the attached updated proposal re: Question #7, from Kathy Kleiman and myself.
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You will note therein, that the revised proposal contains some revised language, some revised rationale, and a potential alternative to the existing rule for discussion purposes.<br>
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Zak Muscovitch<br>
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General Counsel, ICA<br>
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Muscovitch Law P.C.<br>
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<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a><br>
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1-866-654-7129<br>
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416-924-5084<br>
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<a href="http://www.trademarks-canada.com/" target="_BLANK翫">http://www.trademarks-canada.com/</a><br>
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<a href="https://www.muscovitch.com/" target="_BLANK翫">https://www.muscovitch.com/</a><br>
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<a href="https://dnattorney.com/" target="_BLANK翫">https://dnattorney.com/</a><br>
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From: GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org%3e">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund<br>
Sent: September-03-19 1:02 PM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
Subject: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br>
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Dear RPM WG members, <br>
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Please find the agenda and materials for the WG meeting tomorrow, Wednesday, 04 September at 17:00-18:30 UTC.
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Please note the following actions captured from last week's meeting and sent to the list last week:<br>
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Actions:<br>
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1. Revision of Existing Proposals: For consideration at the meeting on Wednesday, 04 September, RPM PDP WG members who had previously submitted proposals relating to the Open TMCH Questions (see attached) may offer revised proposals that take into consideration
the work completed by the WG since the proposals were originally submitted.<br>
2. New Proposals: For consideration at the meeting on Wednesday, 04 September, RPM PDP WG members may submit new proposals relating to Charter questions 7, 8, and 10.<br>
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Please send suggested revisions or new proposals by COB today, 03 September, if at all possible.<br>
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Proposed Agenda:<br>
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1. Review Agenda and Updates to Statements of Interest<br>
2. Proposals relating to Open TMCH Charter Questions (see attached Summary document. It is the same as the May 2017 version but with formatting for readability and text from relevant TMCH and AGB references):
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* Question 7 - Proposals from Kathy Kleiman and Greg Shatan<br>
* Question 8 - Proposals from Paul McGrady, Kathy Kleiman, Jonathan Agmon, and Claudio di Gangi<br>
* If Time Permits: Question 10 - Proposal from Michael Graham<br>
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3. AOB<br>
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Best Regards,<br>
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Mary, Julie, Ariel <o:p></o:p></p>
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