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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Well I seem to recall spending a considerable amount of time asking for at least exemplars of marks but that effort was blocked. I also recall that the operative instructions under which Deloite is acting precludes accepting design marks but that they in fact were accepting them.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So….. Not sure what the objection is to the email from Phil.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Paul Keating<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>GNSO-RPM-WG <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org> on behalf of Lori Schulman <lschulman@inta.org><br><b>Date: </b>Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:04 PM<br><b>To: </b>"BECKHAM, Brian" <brian.beckham@wipo.int>, "Corwin, Philip" <pcorwin@verisign.com>, Zak Muscovitch <zak@muscovitch.com>, "julie.hedlund@icann.org" <julie.hedlund@icann.org>, "gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" <gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>I agree with that. Deloitte has come up with guidelines and procedures that show that thought has been put into the process and they are not letting just anything in. We can’t agree on our terminology, how can we expect them to do it?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>Lori S. Schulman</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>Senior Director, Internet Policy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>International Trademark Association (INTA)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> BECKHAM, Brian <brian.beckham@wipo.int> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> Corwin, Philip <pcorwin@verisign.com>; Lori Schulman <lschulman@inta.org>; zak@muscovitch.com; julie.hedlund@icann.org; gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Speaking personally, I’m not sure I agree with the supposition that “Deloitte accepts marks too readily” especially given the lack of clarity on an agreed definition of text only/standard character marks. In fact, that is the very core of the discusions around Kathy and Zak’s proposal. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Thank!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>Brian <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in'><br><br>Sent from my WIPO mobile<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'>On 11 September 2019 at 18:37:05 CEST, Corwin, Philip via GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Thanks Lori.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>We seem to be closing the gap. Given that there is general agreement within the WG that Deloitte accepts design marks too readily, but some remaining disagreement about how to address that, this co-chair hopes that wide support can at least be found for those elements of a response on which there is broad agreement. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Philip S. Corwin</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Policy Counsel</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>VeriSign, Inc.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>12061 Bluemont Way</span></span><span lang=EN style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><br><span class=null1>Reston, VA 20190</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>703-948-4648/Direct</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>571-342-7489/Cell</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><i><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey</span></i></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>From:</b> GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lori Schulman<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 11, 2019 12:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>We have had some side line conversations regarding the proposal below. I informed Zak separately and wish to conveny that this is where the IPC currently stands:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:red'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>all<< words, it <i>does not</i> enter TMCH. </span></span><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA style='color:red'>– IPC agrees. </span></span><span style='color:red'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=null style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l7 level1 lfo2;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:red'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>some but not all words<< it <i>does </i>enters the TMCH. </span></span><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA style='color:red'>– IPC agrees. </span></span><span style='color:red'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=null style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo3;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='color:red'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>Where a design mark with words is permitted into the TMCH, it entitles the mark holder to a Claims Notice, but not a Sunrise priority. – </span></span><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA style='color:red'>The IPC disagrees as this would undermine the purpose of registering with the TMCH to begin with. </span></span><span style='color:red'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=null style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>The Claims Notice would have to specify inter alia, that it is notifying prospective registrants of someone claiming to have rights corresponding to the domain name, but that not in all cases does having a design mark confer rights over the words inside, or something to that effect. <span style='color:red'>– The IPC is willing to discuss this proposal. We agree in principle that language that is not well understood or could frighten an unsophisticated applicant should be revised. However, the notice should not be providing legal advice or any advice about effects of certain types of trademark registrations.</span></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l9 level1 lfo5;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>Design marks consisting of a single letter, e.g. a stylized or graphical “i”, whether disclaimed or not, do not go into the TMCH. <span style='color:red'>– The IPC does not agree as this outcome is contrary to trademark law. </span></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>In general, it appears that Greg’s proposal addresses 3 and 5. To what degree to people object? We see the proposal as creating a solution for a small problem with significant, unintended consequences.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>There are objections procedures for domains registered during Sunrise period and we believe that these procedures should be highlighted as remedy for the concerns that registrant’s have regarding this issue.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Thank you for opening the dialog and we look forward to more discussion where we can find compromise.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>Lori S. Schulman</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>Senior Director, Internet Policy</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>International Trademark Association (INTA)</span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>From:</b> GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Zak Muscovitch<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 10, 2019 1:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [GNSO-RPM-WG] Re; Updated Proposal re TMCH/Design Marks<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>Dear Co-chairs, Staff and WG members, please see below a revised proposal regarding Question #7 (TMCH/Design Marks):</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l6 level1 lfo6;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>all<< words, it <i>does not</i> enter TMCH.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo7;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>As per Greg’s proposal, where a design mark with words disclaims >>some but not all words<< it <i>does </i>enters the TMCH. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo8;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>Where a design mark with words is permitted into the TMCH, it entitles the mark holder to a Claims Notice, but not a Sunrise priority.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo9;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>The Claims Notice would have to specify inter alia, that it is notifying prospective registrants of someone claiming to have rights corresponding to the domain name, but that not in all cases does having a design mark confer rights over the words inside, or something to that effect. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l8 level1 lfo10;background:white'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>5.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>Design marks consisting of a single letter, e.g. a stylized or graphical “i”, whether disclaimed or not, do not go into the TMCH.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>This proposal has been circulated amongst some stakeholders for feedback (with mixed results), however I am now sharing it with the entire Working Group.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span lang=EN-CA><br><span class=null1>Zak Muscovitch</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>General Counsel, ICA</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null 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style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>From:</b> GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Zak Muscovitch<br><b>Sent:</b> September-04-19 1:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org">lschulman@inta.org</a>>; Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>Attached is the redline version. Apologies for only sending it now. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>Zak</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>Muscovitch Law P.C.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA><a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com"><span style='color:#0563C1'>zak@muscovitch.com</span></a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>1-866-654-7129</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA>416-924-5084</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA><a href="http://www.trademarks-canada.com/" target="_BLANK翫"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://www.trademarks-canada.com/</span></a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA><a href="https://www.muscovitch.com/" target="_BLANK翫"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://www.muscovitch.com/</span></a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA><a href="https://dnattorney.com/" target="_BLANK翫"><span style='color:#0563C1'>https://dnattorney.com/</span></a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>From:</b> Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org">lschulman@inta.org</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> September-04-19 12:48 PM<br><b>To:</b> Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>>; Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span lang=EN-CA> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Hi,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Support Phil’s suggestion and a post call redline per my earlier message.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>Lori S. Schulman</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>Senior Director, Internet Policy</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><b><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>International Trademark Association (INTA)</span></b></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'>+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span class=null1><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#595959'> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b>From:</b> Corwin, Philip <<a href="mailto:pcorwin@verisign.com">pcorwin@verisign.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 04, 2019 12:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a>; Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org">lschulman@inta.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=null style='mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'>Zak:<br><br><br><br>As we reviewed all the proposals last week, I would suggest that you focus in your presentation on what changes you and Kathy have made to the original and the rationale for doing so.<br><br><br><br>Philip<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Philip S. Corwin<br><br>Policy Counsel<br><br>VeriSign, Inc.<br><br>12061 Bluemont Way<br>Reston, VA 20190<br><br>703-948-4648/Direct<br><br>571-342-7489/Cell<br><br><br><br>"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey<br><br><br><br>From: GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org%3e">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> On Behalf Of Zak Muscovitch<br>Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 12:36 PM<br>To: Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org%3e">lschulman@inta.org></a>; Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org%3e">julie.hedlund@icann.org></a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br><br><br><br>Lori, I'm trying to get one together, not sure I will be able to unfortunately. <br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>Muscovitch Law P.C.<br><br><a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a><br><br>1-866-654-7129<br><br>416-924-5084<br><br><a href="http://www.trademarks-canada.com/" target="_BLANK翫">http://www.trademarks-canada.com/</a><br><br><a href="https://www.muscovitch.com/" target="_BLANK翫">https://www.muscovitch.com/</a><br><br><a href="https://dnattorney.com/" target="_BLANK翫">https://dnattorney.com/</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>From: Lori Schulman <<a href="mailto:lschulman@inta.org%3e">lschulman@inta.org></a> <br>Sent: September-04-19 12:08 PM<br>To: Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com%3e">zak@muscovitch.com></a>; Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org%3e">julie.hedlund@icann.org></a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>Subject: RE: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br><br><br><br>Hi,<br><br><br><br>Thank you for this. As this is so close to the call, do you have a redline so we can compare the changes quickly? It would be most helpful to be prepared on a quick notice.<br><br><br><br><br><br>Lori S. Schulman<br><br>Senior Director, Internet Policy<br><br>International Trademark Association (INTA)<br><br>+1-202-704-0408, Skype: lsschulman<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>From: GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org%3e">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> On Behalf Of Zak Muscovitch<br>Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2019 11:45 AM<br>To: Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org%3e">julie.hedlund@icann.org></a>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br><br><br><br>Dear Co-Chairs, Working Group Members, and Staff,<br><br><br><br>Further to the call last week and further to the below Agenda for today's call, please see the attached updated proposal re: Question #7, from Kathy Kleiman and myself. <br><br><br><br>You will note therein, that the revised proposal contains some revised language, some revised rationale, and a potential alternative to the existing rule for discussion purposes.<br><br><br><br>Zak Muscovitch<br><br>General Counsel, ICA<br><br>Muscovitch Law P.C.<br><br><a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com">zak@muscovitch.com</a><br><br>1-866-654-7129<br><br>416-924-5084<br><br><a href="http://www.trademarks-canada.com/" target="_BLANK翫">http://www.trademarks-canada.com/</a><br><br><a href="https://www.muscovitch.com/" target="_BLANK翫">https://www.muscovitch.com/</a><br><br><a href="https://dnattorney.com/" target="_BLANK翫">https://dnattorney.com/</a><br><br><br><br><br><br>From: GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org%3e">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org></a> On Behalf Of Julie Hedlund<br>Sent: September-03-19 1:02 PM<br>To: <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>Subject: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 04 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<br><br><br><br>Dear RPM WG members, <br><br><br><br>Please find the agenda and materials for the WG meeting tomorrow, Wednesday, 04 September at 17:00-18:30 UTC. <br><br><br><br>Please note the following actions captured from last week's meeting and sent to the list last week:<br><br><br><br>Actions:<br><br>1. Revision of Existing Proposals: For consideration at the meeting on Wednesday, 04 September, RPM PDP WG members who had previously submitted proposals relating to the Open TMCH Questions (see attached) may offer revised proposals that take into consideration the work completed by the WG since the proposals were originally submitted.<br>2. New Proposals: For consideration at the meeting on Wednesday, 04 September, RPM PDP WG members may submit new proposals relating to Charter questions 7, 8, and 10.<br><br><br><br>Please send suggested revisions or new proposals by COB today, 03 September, if at all possible.<br><br><br><br>Proposed Agenda:<br><br>1. Review Agenda and Updates to Statements of Interest<br>2. Proposals relating to Open TMCH Charter Questions (see attached Summary document. It is the same as the May 2017 version but with formatting for readability and text from relevant TMCH and AGB references): <br><br>* Question 7 - Proposals from Kathy Kleiman and Greg Shatan<br>* Question 8 - Proposals from Paul McGrady, Kathy Kleiman, Jonathan Agmon, and Claudio di Gangi<br>* If Time Permits: Question 10 - Proposal from Michael Graham<br><br>3. AOB<br><br><br><br>Best Regards,<br><br>Mary, Julie, Ariel <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><ATT00001.txt><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p style='margin-left:.5in'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:.5in'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>World Intellectual Property Organization Disclaimer: This electronic message may contain privileged, confidential and copyright protected information. 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