<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Thanks Brian for the articles and their examples. It may be all the examples in the article are supported by word marks and it is simply the Sunrise use test is being gamed or insufficient in all those examples? Which would be a separate issue, if so then as one of the articles suggests a pragmatic way to prevent any bulk use test gaming would be restrictions on the transfer of sunrise names, simply because of the cost and complexities associated with genuine multiple site development business models.<br><br>What I would like to know is if there are any specific examples where a composite or figurative mark had been successfully used in Sunrise or Claims?<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 10:53 AM BECKHAM, Brian <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Hi Paul,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Speaking personally here, to try to get back into these discussions, a few weeks ago I tried to go through some of the blogs that were mentioned on this WG email list, and the
stories I ran across concerning claimed Sunrise abuses generally did not make reference to the type of mark (composite, figurative, stylized, design, word+design, or otherwise).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Two quick examples:
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://domainnamewire.com/2014/01/30/the-numbers-are-in-donuts-sunrises-typically-get-100-domains-but-they-also-got-gamed/" target="_blank">https://domainnamewire.com/2014/01/30/the-numbers-are-in-donuts-sunrises-typically-get-100-domains-but-they-also-got-gamed/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u></u><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"><a href="https://www.thedomains.com/2015/05/28/trademark-game-playing-results-in-great-generic-domains-being-registered-in-casino-sunrise/" target="_blank">https://www.thedomains.com/2015/05/28/trademark-game-playing-results-in-great-generic-domains-being-registered-in-casino-sunrise/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Paul Tattersfield <<a href="mailto:gpmgroup@gmail.com" target="_blank">gpmgroup@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 18, 2019 9:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Schaeffer <<a href="mailto:jason@esqwire.com" target="_blank">jason@esqwire.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> BECKHAM, Brian <<a href="mailto:brian.beckham@wipo.int" target="_blank">brian.beckham@wipo.int</a>>; Zak Muscovitch <<a href="mailto:zak@muscovitch.com" target="_blank">zak@muscovitch.com</a>>; Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>>; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 18 September 17:00-18:30 UTC<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Are there any examples of where a composite or figurative mark has been used in either Sunrise or Claims or is it just that Deloitte are accepting them in to the TMCH? Thanks Paul<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 3:51 AM Jason Schaeffer <<a href="mailto:jason@esqwire.com" target="_blank">jason@esqwire.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Brian,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Please note that in Zak’s absence (as he is travelling and may not be joining the call) I have been asked to present on his behalf.
Although I personally believed that we were making progress on some of these points on last week’s WG call, nonetheless given the apparent lack of compromise with the IPC, you are correct that the compromise proposal has been withdrawn and the attached Kleiman/Muscovitch
proposal remains for consideration and comment.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Kindly refer to the “original” September 4<sup>th</sup> proposal (attached) to address the topic of the TMCH and word marks v. design
marks.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Jason
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>BECKHAM, Brian<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Zak Muscovitch; Julie Hedlund; <a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 18 September 17:00-18:30 UTC</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Thanks very much Zak for this heads up that you are withdrawing your “compromise proposal” given the lack of additional
interest in it. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In the interests of time, and personally (while I am certain Phil and Kathy would agree), I want to say that it was
encouraging to hear that you and others attempted offline to bring this together with other proposals (e.g., Greg’s).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Your below withdrawal of course raises the question of where this leaves us on the earlier “Kleiman / Muscovitch” proposal,
in particular given that the now-withdrawn proposal was already an attempt to garner support for a compromise on the earlier “Kleiman / Muscovitch” proposal.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">By way of background, as was discussed during a call with Staff and our WG liaisons (incoming and outgoing), we feel
we need to recognize when there may be diverging views and that wide agreement on a compromise proposal may not be possible (in which case alternate views can be recorded, and public comments sought).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">In that light, have you (and Kathy) considered the possibility – even if per your below message you still support it
– of also withdrawing the “Kleiman / Muscovitch” proposal in advance of the call, or do you nevertheless consider brief further discussion on that would in the circumstances still be necessary and/or useful (if only as a last attempt at compromise/to cover
this off)?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Brian
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Zak Muscovitch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 17, 2019 5:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>>;
<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] Proposed Agenda for RPM Meeting on 18 September 17:00-18:30 UTC</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">Dear WG members, staff and co-chairs,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">Since I may not be able to attend the upcoming call this Wednesday, I want to let you know that since last week’s call, I have not become
aware of any additional interest in the ‘compromise’ proposal which I had circulated and which we had discussed on last week’s call (i.e. the one that allowed ‘design marks’ into TMCH but didn’t afford Sunrise priority). Accordingly, I am withdrawing it and
continue to support the first proposal, namely the ‘Kleiman / Muscovitch proposal as revised (see;
</span><span lang="EN-CA"><a href="https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-09-11+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG?preview=/117604906/117605391/Kleiman%20Muscovitch%20Proposal%20Compare%20Doc.pdf" target="_blank">https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-09-11+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG?preview=/117604906/117605391/Kleiman%20Muscovitch%20Proposal%20Compare%20Doc.pdf</a>).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">Yours truly,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">Zak Muscovitch</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">ICA General Counsel</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span></b><span style="color:black" lang="EN-CA">GNSO-RPM-WG <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>> on behalf of Julie Hedlund <<a href="mailto:julie.hedlund@icann.org" target="_blank">julie.hedlund@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 1:04 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-rpm-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black" lang="EN-CA">Dear RPM WG members, </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black" lang="EN-CA"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black" lang="EN-CA">Please find the proposed agenda and materials for the WG meeting on Wednesday, 1</span><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">8<span style="color:black">
September at 17:00-18:30 UTC.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black" lang="EN-CA">For ease of reference, here are the actions from the meeting on
</span><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">11<span style="color:black"> September:</span></span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black" lang="EN-CA">Actions:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black" lang="EN-CA"> WG members should continue consideration and
discussion of Open Charter Questions 7 and 8 (see attached documents and discussions on the list) and review the discussion from the calls on 04 and 11 September via the Zoom chat, recording, and transcript (see the posting on the wiki at:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-09-11+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG" title="https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-09-11+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG" target="_blank">
https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-09-11+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG</a>.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black" lang="EN-CA">Proposed Agenda:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">Review Agenda and Updates to Statements of Interest</span><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">Determine Support for</span><span style="font-size:11pt;color:windowtext" lang="EN-CA"> and finalize discussion on</span><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA"> proposals relating to Open TMCH Charter Questions
(see attached Summary document. It is the same as the May 2017 version but with formatting for readability and text from relevant TMCH and AGB references):</span><span lang="EN-CA">
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<b><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">Question 7 – Finalize Discussion on</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA"> </span><b><span style="font-size:11pt;color:windowtext" lang="EN-CA">Original and
</span></b><b><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">Revised Proposals from Kathy Kleiman/Zak Muscovitch and Greg Shatan</span></b><u></u><u></u></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black">
<b><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">Question 8 –</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA"> <b>Finalize Discussion on</b> <b>Proposals from Paul McGrady, Kathy Kleiman, Jonathan Agmon, and Claudio di Gangi</b></span><u></u><u></u></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11pt" lang="EN-CA">AOB</span><u></u><u></u></li></ol>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black" lang="EN-CA">Mary, Julie, Ariel</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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