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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="color:black">Please see below the action items captured by staff from the<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span>RPM PDP Working Group<span style="color:black"> call held on</span> 25 September 2019 at 17:00 UTC<span style="color:black">.
Staff have posted these to the wiki space. <b><i>Please note that these </i></b></span><b><i>are<span style="color:black"> high-level notes and are not meant as a substitute for the recording</span>, chat room, or transcript</i></b><i><span style="color:black">.</span></i><span style="color:black"> The
recording, Zoom chat,</span> transcript<span style="color:black"> and attendance records are posted on the wiki<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>at</span>:
<a href="https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-09-25+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG">
https://community.icann.org/display/RARPMRIAGPWG/2019-09-25+Review+of+all+Rights+Protection+Mechanisms+%28RPMs%29+in+all+gTLDs+PDP+WG</a>.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Best Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0);font-variant-caps: normal;orphans: auto;text-align:start;widows: auto;-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;word-spacing:0px">
Julie<o:p></o:p></p>
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Julie Hedlund, Policy Director<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">==</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>NOTES & ACTION ITEMS<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Actions:<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">1. Staff will circulate the table of definitions collated in 2017 (DONE – Attached)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2. Question 7: Proponents (Kleiman/Muscovitch and Greg Shatan) have until
<b>19:00 UTC on Tuesday, 01 October </b>to provide any revisions to their proposals.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">3. Question 8: <span style="color:black">Rebecca Tushnet, Claudio diGangi, Jason Schaeffer, Susan Payne (and any WG member interested in joining the small group) provide a final revised proposal by
<b>Tuesday, 01 October at 19:00 UTC</b>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">4. Deferred Questions: <span style="color:black">WG members may proposal relating to any of the deferred questions by
<b>19:00 UTC on Tuesday, 01 October</b> for discussion on the call on 02 October (see attached document).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">TMCH Category 4: Costs & Other Fundamental Features: Charter Questions 12 & 13</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">TMCH Category 5: Access & Accessibility: Charter Question 15</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">TMCH Category 6: Balance: Charter Question 16</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">TMCH Category 1: Education: Charter Questions 1, 2, and 3</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">TMCH Category 2: Verification & Updating of TMCH Database: Charter Questions 4, 5, and 6</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Notes:<o:p></o:p></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">1. Updates to Statements of Interest: No updates provided.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">2. Conclude discussion of proposals relating to Open TMCH Charter Questions:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">a. Charter Question 7<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- On the question of design marks, it was agreed at the last meeting to put two proposals out for public comment: Kleiman/Muscovitch and Shatan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- What hasn’t been discussed is any countervailing definition of “design mark”. May miss an elemental point in the discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- No legal definition of the term “design marks”. For the Initial Report we can refer to the WG’s discussions around the various marks and the WG can develop language of what they mean by “design marks”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Kleiman/Muscovitch proposal defines “word marks” so don’t need to define “design marks”. Actually, it includes both.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Neither proposal should start with “We the WG” as neither has consensus, just putting them out for discussion. The competing proposals need to be managed appropriately.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Each proposal should put forward their own definition of "word mark" as part of what gets included in the initial report for consideration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Not just talking about “word marks”. Should Greg Shatan explain in more detail the types of marks, or staff may have some examples?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- There is a staff-prepared table from 2017 that tries to show the different examples of types of marks, and the WG did discuss visual examples drawn from USPTO practice. This information could be included in
an introduction.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- One proposal defines “design marks” and the other doesn’t say that’s the definition. Try to put out something that can be understood.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Important to have the context for the discussions. The context that Phil mentioned will be quite important inasmuch as this topic is hard for us even to grapple with, much less the community that has not been
engaged in these discussions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- So, when the proposal is put out it has to be made absolutely clear that these are the assertions of some WG members (ie as to improper acceptance of marks by Deloitte) and there is strong disagreement with
that assertion by many others. The staff assumption is that it will indeed be the case - i.e. proposals will clearly be noted as being from a WG member, or 2 WG members, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Let staff prepare the language for the Initial Report, providing the context, essence of the proposals, level of support.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Greg Shatan: Brief addition to his proposal to compare and contrast with Kleiman/Muscovitch proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Both proponents can provide any changes by Tuesday, 01 October at 19:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">b. Charter Question 8<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">From Rebecca:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">The TMCH is for trademarks: those that are registered as trademarks, confirmed by court decision as trademarks, or protected by statute or treaty that specifies the trademarks covered (as opposed
to, for example, Lanham Act §43(a), which grants statutory protection to unregistered marks but doesn’t specify the marks covered). What counts as a trademark should be determined by national law, not by the TMCH.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">Specifically, GIs (that do not also fall under (1)) are not trademarks. <o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">GIs, like other things that are not trademarks, can be the subject of ancillary services. These ancillary services are voluntary, not mandatory, in new gTLDs. Different providers should be able
to compete to provide them if desired. There is no existing barrier to multiple registries using the same ancillary service, nor should we impose any barriers to that possibility.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">GIs and other subject matter of ancillary services should not be subject to Sunrise or Notice under the existing RPMs.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">Deloitte is (a) registering GIs under the theory that they are covered by "statute/treaty," and (b) indicating to TMCH potential registrants that "other IP" is eligible for Claims and Notice
in the TMCH by grouping “other IP” with registrations, court-confirmed marks, and marks protected by statute or treaty in its public-facing materials. Both of these practices should stop.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">As long as the public-facing aspects of the RPMs operate properly, we should be indifferent to the “back end”—whether ancillary databases are in the “same database” or a “different database,”
should Deloitte choose to operate an ancillary database.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Discussion:</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Don’t need to call out what Deloitte is doing, but clarifying misunderstanding and to stop doing what they are doing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Key points: GIs shouldn’t be registered pursuant to the statute or treaty, but if they are protected as trademarks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Other IP shouldn’t get Sunrise and TM Claims.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Need an amendment to the AGB since Deloitte’s interpretation needs to be corrected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Shouldn’t expand/make mandatory Deloitte providing ancillary databases.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Don’t pick out GIs for ancillary services. Don’t need to say it, or if we do, then don’t address how GIs would be protected. Anything can go into an ancillary database. Could say things that are not trademarks
can be the subject of ancillary services.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- Include an intro on ancillary services. That may also be in the AGB enough that if we are proposing language changes it can be worked in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- If a registry has multiple new gTLDs and they want to connect to an ancillary database, we shouldn’t put up a barrier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">-- GIs are a problem; they are not trademarks. GIs, unless they are trademarks, should not get claims notice or Sunrise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">ACTION: Rebecca Tushnet, Claudio diGangi, Jason Schaeffer, Susan Payne (and any WG member interested in joining the small group) provide a final revised proposal by Tuesday, 01 October at 19:00 UTC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">3. Discussion of Deferred Questions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">TMCH Category 4: Costs & Other Fundamental Features: Charter Questions 12 & 13</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">TMCH Category 5: Access & Accessibility: Charter Question 15</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">TMCH Category 6: Balance: Charter Question 16</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">TMCH Category 1: Education: Charter Questions 1, 2, and 3</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">TMCH Category 2: Verification & Updating of TMCH Database: Charter Questions 4, 5, and 6</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">ACTION: WG members may proposal relating to any of the deferred questions by 19:00 UTC on Tuesday, 01 October for discussion on the call on 02 October.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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