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In GI-world, they distinguish between levels of GI-ness. Some geographic terms merely identify the geographic "source" of a product, while others indicate more in the way of specific qualities. So "source indicator" is in fact widely used to describe GIs
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">Wondering out loud whether GIs are necessarily “source identifiers”. My understanding is that they are identifiers of particular geographic locations, whereas trademarks are source identifiers. GIs may be source identifiers, but to
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">From my perspective, the key problem is that "source identifier" describes, among other things, GIs. We can engage in special pleading against GIs and just carve them out, but I admit that
leaves me a bit sour. I also would note that the relevant statutes I've seen don't use the words "source identifier" either, so we are still shuffling off the interpretive weight to Deloitte. (E.g., although the Red Cross also has TM registrations, the Red
Cross US statute that has been mentioned in this discussion uses the word "use" to define one prohibited act, and
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; color:black">"</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:#333333; background:white">wears or displays ... for the fraudulent purpose of inducing the belief that he is a member of or an
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:blue">I agree with you; and you have spotted one of the areas of divergence between my proposal and Rebecca's.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif; color:blue">My proposal includes alternative language on this provision - that I believe addresses your point, but I am interested in your perspective.</span></p>
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